[duxhelp] Re: Optional hyphens

  • From: "Mike Gorse" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:39:16 -0400

Hi Michael,

When copying Unicode to the clipboard, it appears that Word 2003 is using the same character for both an optional hyphen and a not sign, even though it records the characters differently internally. It is using U+00AC, which corresponds to a not sign.

So I'm not sure that there is a good way for us to make the hyphens enter correctly into DBT, other than to suggest replacing D+00AA with the assisted hyphen code after the paste. We could make U+00AC paste as a hyphen, but then this would lead to incorrect results where the character is really a not sign, and presumably this action would only be desirable when pasting from Word. It should theoretically be possible to determine whether the data on the clipboard came from Word and act differently if so, but I don't think that we can do this for 10.6.

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Surato" <suratomi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Optional hyphens


I am using Word 2003 on Windows XP pro. I have only pasted in the line
with the optional hyphens.

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-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Gorse
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:44 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Optional hyphens

Michael,

I have just mostly fixed the problem you reported with
apostrophes not being translated correctly when pasting from
Word, but, when I paste your document, no character shows up
in DBT where the hyphen would be.  What operating system and
version of Word are you using?  (I'm using Word 2000 under XP
Pro.)  Could you send me a .dxp resulting from pasting your
document into DBT?

Thanks,
-Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Surato" <suratomi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Optional hyphens


Hi,

Recently I have been made aware of another difference between
opening a
document and a cut-and-paste operation. When a document contains
"optional hyphens" they are printed in Braille as two cells containing
dots 3 and 5 when cut-and-pasted into a document, they are
dropped when
opening the Word file directly. I have attached our current "torture"
file for the beta process. This contains all of the characters we have
historically experienced problems with. In this file there are some
corrected errors as well as some current issues. The corrected errors
are tabs and quotes (thank you very much). In addition to the optional
hyphens, the apostrophe character is still giving us some
trouble. When
cut-and-pasted in, DBT translates this to two cells, one cell
is dots 3,
5, and 6 and the other is dot 6. This is similar to a single ending
quote, but the second cell is a dot 6 rather than a dot 3.
While this is
still not an apostrophe, I am wondering if this is a valid Braille
character at all, or if this represents two issues? If it is a valid
character, which character is it?

This document was pasted into Beta 6.

Thank you very much for working on this! The progress on these issues
are very much appreciated!

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