[duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:52:24 +0100

Hi Peter,

Ctrl + z is essentially to tell the Index that it
has received all the data.

Trust me!  Removing it will open a whole can of
man eating worms.

George.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: 19 August 2004 17:44
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per braille page.
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> It appears that DBT 10.5 is programmed to send a
Control-Z to 
> the Everest at the end of each copy; this is a
new behavior 
> for DBT 10.5, and is presumably sparking the
verbal feedback 
> from the embosser.
> 
> I'm not sure why this is done at the end of each
copy, rather 
> than at the end of all copies.  David perhaps
can weigh in on 
> this soon; I'll ask him to consider this.  At
the same time, 
> I hesitate to change the behavior now, as any
such change 
> would impact many embossers, not just the
Everest.  This 
> strikes me as one of these issues that is best
handled 
> shortly after initial release.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:38 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per braille page.
> 
> I meant DBT 10.4.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:30 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> When you say "in the past," do you mean with DBT
10.4, or 
> with earlier DBT
> 10.5 beta software?
> 
> - Peter 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:22 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello Peter,  Yes I do get this message.  In the
past I use 
> to get this message only when the no of copies
finished.
> 
> Tesfaye
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:16 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> When you select "Index Everest..." to drive this
embosser, do 
> you still get "Everest Ready" announcement
between copies?
> 
> - Peter 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello George,  It is Index Everest.  I just
selected from the 
> list you provided.
> 
> Tesfaye
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Bell
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On 
> Behalf Of George Bell
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge
desired lines per 
> braille page.
> 
> 
> Why are you selecting Index Blue bar to drive an
Everest?
> 
> Or have I misunderstood something?
> 
> George Bell. 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 19 August 2004 17:00
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per 
> braille page.
> > 
> > Sorry Peter,  I did misunderstand your
instructions.  As soon as I 
> > sent you an email, I realized what I did was
wrong.
> > However when I am embossing multi copies,
Everest embosser 
> is giving 
> > "Everest ready" echo every time it embosses a
page.
> > Most of the time my business card file has
only one page.  Is there 
> > any way I could turn off that sound.  This
only happens 
> when I select 
> > Index Basic (blue bar) machine.
> > 
> > Your assistance is very much appreciated.
> > 
> > Tesfaye
> > CNIB
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:16 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per 
> braille page.
> > 
> > 
> > Tesfaye,
> > 
> > I have no problem embossing this document.
> > 
> > Let me try again to ask the questions I asked
earlier.  It 
> seems that 
> > you may have misunderstood them.
> > 
> > I am only interested in embossing from DBT
10.5; the success or 
> > failure of other products, including DBT 10.4
isn't my concern.
> > 
> > DBT can emboss to an Index embosser by
connecting directly to the 
> > serial or parallel port to which the embosser
is attached.  DBT can 
> > also emboss to an Index embosser by connecting
through the Index 
> > driver.  One controls how DBT connects to the
embosser by selecting 
> > the embosser name in either Document, Embosser
Setup or Global, 
> > Embosser Setup.
> > Then, you must click the Edit button and
select either "Send to 
> > Printer" (to write through the Index
> > driver) or "Write to Port" (to write directly
to the port 
> to which the 
> > embosser is attached).  I am interested to
know whether you 
> have tried 
> > with each of these approaches.
> > 
> > If neither approach works, please try
embossing to a file 
> (choose the 
> > third option -- "Write to File" after clicking
the Edit 
> button), and 
> > then send this file to me.
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:36 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per 
> braille page.
> > 
> > Hello Peter,  I am just sending you a small
file (1 page
> > long) It works fine with DBT 10.4 version.
Index's own printer 
> > drivers works.  Can you try this file? Thanks.
> > 
> > Tesfaye
> > CNIB
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:26 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per 
> braille page.
> > 
> > 
> > Tesfaye,
> > 
> > I agree -- worrisome is a good word.
> > 
> > I cannot think of any good reason why this
would be 
> happening in beta
> > 6 and not in beta 5 (or beta 1, for that
matter).
> > We've changed little about the Index "drivers"
in that time
> > -- and absolutely nothing that should have any
direct bearing since 
> > beta 5.
> > 
> > Have you tried both:
> >   - Embossing through Index's own printer
drivers, and
> >   - Embossing directly to a serial or parallel
port?
> > 
> > If so, please try also embossing to a file,
then send me the file.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:47 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per 
> braille page.
> > 
> > Hello All,  This is becoming worrisome to me.
I am having the same 
> > problems that I did not have in Beta 5.  Here
at the CNIB, 
> we do have
> > 2 Index Basic-D and One Index 4 x 4 Pro.  I
just tried Beta 
> 6 version 
> > of DBT on each of them and only a dot
embossed.
> > 
> > Any ideas why this happens all the sudden.
> > 
> > Tesfaye
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Durber
[mailto:dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:22 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired
lines per 
> braille page.
> > 
> > 
> > Please, when responding to messages such as my
original message, 
> > specify not only the make but also the model
by that particular 
> > manufacturer.
> > 
> > If I didn't know Index products, I would not
have a clue as 
> to whether 
> > you were talking about an Index Basic-D, Index
Basic-S, 
> Index 4 x 4, 
> > etc.
> > 
> > Saying that your embosser has 10.4, tells me
absolutely 
> nothing about 
> > the model of embosser.
> > 
> > Index might have an embosser called 10.4.
> > 
> > The number 10.4 might refer to the firmware
that is 
> installed, or it 
> > could be the particular version of the
software that your 
> machine has 
> > loaded.
> > 
> > Sincerely:
> > 
> > Dave Durber
> > 
> > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:54:09 -1000, you wrote:
> > 
> > >My 2 cents worth:
> > >My Index is 10.4.
> > >I have the top margin on the embosser set to
1.
> > >In DBT I have desired lines at 25 and top to
0.
> > >The default line spacing is 5.0.
> > >
> > >At 08:24 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> > >>Dave,
> > >>
> > >>I agree in principle that DBT should be able
to calculate
> > these things
> > >>correctly, provided only that you tell DBT
what the line 
> spacing is.
> > >>Of course, that suggests that DBT would ask.
However,
> > we're not able
> > >>to add that feature before release.
> > >>
> > >>The good news for all concerned is that
DBT's embosser
> > setup & driving
> > >>is contained in a separate DLL, so we'll be
able to touch 
> up things 
> > >>like this without going through a full new
release cycle.
> > >>
> > >>As for the question of what the factory
default setting is
> > -- I don't
> > know.
> > >>David is investigating this now.
> > >>
> > >>- Peter
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Durber
> > >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:24 PM
> > >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge
desired lines per
> > braille page.
> > >>
> > >>Regardless as to whether my embosser is set
to the
> > "default" or not,
> > >>DBT should be able to make the right
calculation as to 
> the correct 
> > >>number of lines per page no matter what the
Line Spacing is
> > set in the
> > embosser.
> > >>
> > >>Just for interest sake, what should the
default line
> > spacing be when
> > >>an index Basic-D leaves the manufacturer.
> > >>
> > >>Sincerely:
> > >>
> > >>Dave Durber
> > >>
> > >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:57 -0400, you
wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Hi Peter.
> > >> >
> > >> >Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head
as usual, line
> > spacing is
> > >> >not set
> > >>at the default in Dave's embosser and that
may be the issue.
> > >> >
> > >> >I wonder then could other parameters break
this such as
> > setting it
> > >> >to
> > >>Japanese braille etc?
> > >> >
> > >> >I am a bit puzzled.
> > >> >
> > >> >Don
> > >> >
> > >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:26:47 -0400, Peter
Sullivan wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Don,
> > >> >>
> > >> >>That is not true.  Dave has in fact set
things up
> > correctly, by all
> > >> >>appearances.  My guess is that we just
have the wrong
> > value for the
> > >> >>number of lines that a Basic-D might put
on 11" paper. 
>  Perhaps 
> > >> >>this is because Dave uses a spacing that
we didn't anticipate.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>For the record, DBT's "Desired" top
margin in *not* 
> added to the 
> > >> >>top margin specified in Device Settings.
Rather, DBT
> > enforces the
> > >> >>value in Device Settings ad the minimum
possible value for a 
> > >> >>desired top margin.  DBT adds CR/LF pairs
(or whatever
> > line ending
> > >> >>is appropriate) when the desired top
margin exceeds the Device 
> > >> >>Settings
> > value.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>- Peter
> > >> >>
> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > >> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Don Breda
> > >> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:08 PM
> > >> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge
desired lines per
> > braille page.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Hi Dave.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>You have a top margin of 1 in the
embosser setup and a
> > top margin
> > >> >>of 1 in the Index embosser itself. This
is your problem.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>You can not have an option such as top
margin set in 
> both places.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Don
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:32 -0400, Dave
Durber wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>I own three Index Basic-D braille
embossers. Firmware
> > version II,
> > >> >>>software version 4.40 installed.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Since the beginning of the Beta Cycle
for the release
> > of DBT 10.5,
> > >> >>>I have been trying to understand why I
cannot emboss
> > the desired
> > >> >>>number of lines per page from the
embosser when using 
> DBT 10.5.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Following are the settings that I set in
the Basic-D:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Group Page Layout Menu
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Characters Per Line: 30
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Left Margin: 0
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>B Margin: 0  (This is actually Binding
Margin).
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Bottom Margin: 0
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Line Spacing: 5.2  (At this setting,
with the top
> > margin set to 1,
> > >> >>>the embosser can emboss 25 lines per
page.  With a top
> > margin of
> > >> >>>0, the embosser can emboss 26 lines per
page but the embosser 
> > >> >>>starts embossing approximately 1 quarter
of an inch
> > from the top
> > >> >>>of the page, which is too near the top
of the page.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Page Mode: Double-Sided
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Print Mode: Normal
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>page number: off
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Paper Length 1: 11 inches
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Paper Length 2: 11 inches
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Z-folding: Off
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Group Option Settings
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Word Wrap: Off
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Auto Line Feed: Off
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Form-Feed: Off
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Impact Level: 4
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Delay Time: 4
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Print Quality: Normal
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Graphic Dot Distance: 2.0
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Text Dot Distance: Normal Pring-out Mode
2.5
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Setup: Open
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Paper Jam: On
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Distance After File: 1
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>DBT 10.5 Settings:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Global Embosser Settings:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Braiiller Device: Basic-D
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Under Brailler Device Edit Button:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>General Tab Page:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Embosser Model: Index Basic-D
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Setup Name: Basic-D
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Default Form:  Narrow Width, 11 inch
long, braille paper
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Output Options: Write to port
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Output to LPT1
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Device Settings Tab Page
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Embosser Version: Firmware Version II
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Left margin (extra cells): 0
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Rightmost cell placement: 30
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Top Margin setting: 1
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Interpoint embossing is enabled: checked
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Output encoding: North American
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>High Punctuation: Uppercase
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Letter case: Lowercase
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Advanced Tab Page
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Job setup, use custom job setup:
unchecked
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>End of line indicator: Carriage Return,
line feed (PC)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>End of page indicator: Form Feed Only
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>EOL on a full line: Checked
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>The last four buttons on this page are
unchecked
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Returning to the Global Embosser Setup
Page
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Braille formatting form: Narrow width,
11 inch long,
> > braille paper
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Desired formatting:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Characters per line: 30
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Lines per page: 25
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Binding Margin: 0
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Emboss in interpoint: Checked
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Emboss Banner page: unchecked
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>When I emboss a file with the above
settings, I do not get a 
> > >> >>>braille file with 25 lines embossed on
each side of the
> > page as I
> > would expect.
> > >> >>>However, If I set the number of lines in
DBT to 24, I get a 
> > >> >>>braille output that has 24 lines of
braille on each 
> side of the 
> > >> >>>sheet
> > of paper.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Please advise me as to how I can get 25
lines on each 
> side of a 
> > >> >>>sheet of paper, using the above
settings.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>I have run out of ideas.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Personally speaking, all of the embosser
information
> > should not be
> > >> >>>contained in one embosser such as
"emb.elt".  It 
> would be a far 
> > >> >>>more sensible and logical, not only to
say, more 
> efficient for 
> > >> >>>operating and troubleshooting reasons to
have DBT create an 
> > >> >>>individual file for each embosser that
is installed.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Sincerely:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Dave Durber
> > >> >>>
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> > >> >>
> > >> >>Don Breda
> > >> >>Duxbury Systems INC.
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