[duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:44:01 -0400

Tesfaye,

It appears that DBT 10.5 is programmed to send a Control-Z to the Everest at
the end of each copy; this is a new behavior for DBT 10.5, and is presumably
sparking the verbal feedback from the embosser.

I'm not sure why this is done at the end of each copy, rather than at the
end of all copies.  David perhaps can weigh in on this soon; I'll ask him to
consider this.  At the same time, I hesitate to change the behavior now, as
any such change would impact many embossers, not just the Everest.  This
strikes me as one of these issues that is best handled shortly after initial
release.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:38 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

I meant DBT 10.4.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:30 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.


Tesfaye,

When you say "in the past," do you mean with DBT 10.4, or with earlier DBT
10.5 beta software?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:22 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

Hello Peter,  Yes I do get this message.  In the past I use to get this
message only when the no of copies finished.

Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:16 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.


Tesfaye,

When you select "Index Everest..." to drive this embosser, do you still get
"Everest Ready" announcement between copies?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:17 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.

Hello George,  It is Index Everest.  I just selected from the list you
provided.

Tesfaye

-----Original Message-----
From: George Bell [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of George
Bell
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:06 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.


Why are you selecting Index Blue bar to drive an Everest?

Or have I misunderstood something?

George Bell. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 19 August 2004 17:00
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Sorry Peter,  I did misunderstand your instructions.  As soon as I 
> sent you an email, I realized what I did was wrong.
> However when I am embossing multi copies, Everest embosser is giving 
> "Everest ready" echo every time it embosses a page.
> Most of the time my business card file has only one page.  Is there 
> any way I could turn off that sound.  This only happens when I select 
> Index Basic (blue bar) machine.
> 
> Your assistance is very much appreciated.
> 
> Tesfaye
> CNIB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:16 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> I have no problem embossing this document.
> 
> Let me try again to ask the questions I asked earlier.  It seems that 
> you may have misunderstood them.
> 
> I am only interested in embossing from DBT 10.5; the success or 
> failure of other products, including DBT 10.4 isn't my concern.
> 
> DBT can emboss to an Index embosser by connecting directly to the 
> serial or parallel port to which the embosser is attached.  DBT can 
> also emboss to an Index embosser by connecting through the Index 
> driver.  One controls how DBT connects to the embosser by selecting 
> the embosser name in either Document, Embosser Setup or Global, 
> Embosser Setup.
> Then, you must click the Edit button and select either "Send to 
> Printer" (to write through the Index
> driver) or "Write to Port" (to write directly to the port to which the 
> embosser is attached).  I am interested to know whether you have tried 
> with each of these approaches.
> 
> If neither approach works, please try embossing to a file (choose the 
> third option -- "Write to File" after clicking the Edit button), and 
> then send this file to me.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:36 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello Peter,  I am just sending you a small file (1 page
> long) It works fine with DBT 10.4 version.  Index's own printer 
> drivers works.  Can you try this file? Thanks.
> 
> Tesfaye
> CNIB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sullivan [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:26 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Tesfaye,
> 
> I agree -- worrisome is a good word.
> 
> I cannot think of any good reason why this would be happening in beta
> 6 and not in beta 5 (or beta 1, for that matter).
> We've changed little about the Index "drivers" in that time
> -- and absolutely nothing that should have any direct bearing since 
> beta 5.
> 
> Have you tried both:
>   - Embossing through Index's own printer drivers, and
>   - Embossing directly to a serial or parallel port?
> 
> If so, please try also embossing to a file, then send me the file.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesfaye Mihretu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:47 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> Hello All,  This is becoming worrisome to me.  I am having the same 
> problems that I did not have in Beta 5.  Here at the CNIB, we do have
> 2 Index Basic-D and One Index 4 x 4 Pro.  I just tried Beta 6 version 
> of DBT on each of them and only a dot embossed.
> 
> Any ideas why this happens all the sudden.
> 
> Tesfaye
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Durber [mailto:dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:22 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per braille page.
> 
> 
> Please, when responding to messages such as my original message, 
> specify not only the make but also the model by that particular 
> manufacturer.
> 
> If I didn't know Index products, I would not have a clue as to whether 
> you were talking about an Index Basic-D, Index Basic-S, Index 4 x 4, 
> etc.
> 
> Saying that your embosser has 10.4, tells me absolutely nothing about 
> the model of embosser.
> 
> Index might have an embosser called 10.4.
> 
> The number 10.4 might refer to the firmware that is installed, or it 
> could be the particular version of the software that your machine has 
> loaded.
> 
> Sincerely:
> 
> Dave Durber
> 
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:54:09 -1000, you wrote:
> 
> >My 2 cents worth:
> >My Index is 10.4.
> >I have the top margin on the embosser set to 1.
> >In DBT I have desired lines at 25 and top to 0.
> >The default line spacing is 5.0.
> >
> >At 08:24 AM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>I agree in principle that DBT should be able to calculate
> these things
> >>correctly, provided only that you tell DBT what the line spacing is.
> >>Of course, that suggests that DBT would ask.  However,
> we're not able
> >>to add that feature before release.
> >>
> >>The good news for all concerned is that DBT's embosser
> setup & driving
> >>is contained in a separate DLL, so we'll be able to touch up things 
> >>like this without going through a full new release cycle.
> >>
> >>As for the question of what the factory default setting is
> -- I don't
> know.
> >>David is investigating this now.
> >>
> >>- Peter
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:24 PM
> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per
> braille page.
> >>
> >>Regardless as to whether my embosser is set to the
> "default" or not,
> >>DBT should be able to make the right calculation as to the correct 
> >>number of lines per page no matter what the Line Spacing is
> set in the
> embosser.
> >>
> >>Just for interest sake, what should the default line
> spacing be when
> >>an index Basic-D leaves the manufacturer.
> >>
> >>Sincerely:
> >>
> >>Dave Durber
> >>
> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:52:57 -0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Peter.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head as usual, line
> spacing is
> >> >not set
> >>at the default in Dave's embosser and that may be the issue.
> >> >
> >> >I wonder then could other parameters break this such as
> setting it
> >> >to
> >>Japanese braille etc?
> >> >
> >> >I am a bit puzzled.
> >> >
> >> >Don
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:26:47 -0400, Peter Sullivan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Don,
> >> >>
> >> >>That is not true.  Dave has in fact set things up
> correctly, by all
> >> >>appearances.  My guess is that we just have the wrong
> value for the
> >> >>number of lines that a Basic-D might put on 11" paper.  Perhaps 
> >> >>this is because Dave uses a spacing that we didn't anticipate.
> >> >>
> >> >>For the record, DBT's "Desired" top margin in *not* added to the 
> >> >>top margin specified in Device Settings.  Rather, DBT
> enforces the
> >> >>value in Device Settings ad the minimum possible value for a 
> >> >>desired top margin.  DBT adds CR/LF pairs (or whatever
> line ending
> >> >>is appropriate) when the desired top margin exceeds the Device 
> >> >>Settings
> value.
> >> >>
> >> >>- Peter
> >> >>
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> >>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
> >> >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:08 PM
> >> >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Not able to ge desired lines per
> braille page.
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi Dave.
> >> >>
> >> >>You have a top margin of 1 in the embosser setup and a
> top margin
> >> >>of 1 in the Index embosser itself. This is your problem.
> >> >>
> >> >>You can not have an option such as top margin set in both places.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Don
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:32 -0400, Dave Durber wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I own three Index Basic-D braille embossers. Firmware
> version II,
> >> >>>software version 4.40 installed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Since the beginning of the Beta Cycle for the release
> of DBT 10.5,
> >> >>>I have been trying to understand why I cannot emboss
> the desired
> >> >>>number of lines per page from the embosser when using DBT 10.5.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Following are the settings that I set in the Basic-D:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Group Page Layout Menu
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Characters Per Line: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Left Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>B Margin: 0  (This is actually Binding Margin).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Bottom Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Line Spacing: 5.2  (At this setting, with the top
> margin set to 1,
> >> >>>the embosser can emboss 25 lines per page.  With a top
> margin of
> >> >>>0, the embosser can emboss 26 lines per page but the embosser 
> >> >>>starts embossing approximately 1 quarter of an inch
> from the top
> >> >>>of the page, which is too near the top of the page.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Page Mode: Double-Sided
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Print Mode: Normal
> >> >>>
> >> >>>page number: off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Length 1: 11 inches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Length 2: 11 inches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Z-folding: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Group Option Settings
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Word Wrap: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Auto Line Feed: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Form-Feed: Off
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Impact Level: 4
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Delay Time: 4
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Print Quality: Normal
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Graphic Dot Distance: 2.0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Text Dot Distance: Normal Pring-out Mode 2.5
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Setup: Open
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Paper Jam: On
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Distance After File: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>DBT 10.5 Settings:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Global Embosser Settings:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Braiiller Device: Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Under Brailler Device Edit Button:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>General Tab Page:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Embosser Model: Index Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Setup Name: Basic-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Default Form:  Narrow Width, 11 inch long, braille paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output Options: Write to port
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output to LPT1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Device Settings Tab Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Embosser Version: Firmware Version II
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Left margin (extra cells): 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Rightmost cell placement: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin setting: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Interpoint embossing is enabled: checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Output encoding: North American
> >> >>>
> >> >>>High Punctuation: Uppercase
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Letter case: Lowercase
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Advanced Tab Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Job setup, use custom job setup: unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>End of line indicator: Carriage Return, line feed (PC)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>End of page indicator: Form Feed Only
> >> >>>
> >> >>>EOL on a full line: Checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The last four buttons on this page are unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Returning to the Global Embosser Setup Page
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Braille formatting form: Narrow width, 11 inch long,
> braille paper
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Desired formatting:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Characters per line: 30
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Lines per page: 25
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Top Margin: 1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Binding Margin: 0
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Emboss in interpoint: Checked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Emboss Banner page: unchecked
> >> >>>
> >> >>>When I emboss a file with the above settings, I do not get a 
> >> >>>braille file with 25 lines embossed on each side of the
> page as I
> would expect.
> >> >>>However, If I set the number of lines in DBT to 24, I get a 
> >> >>>braille output that has 24 lines of braille on each side of the 
> >> >>>sheet
> of paper.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Please advise me as to how I can get 25 lines on each side of a 
> >> >>>sheet of paper, using the above settings.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I have run out of ideas.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Personally speaking, all of the embosser information
> should not be
> >> >>>contained in one embosser such as "emb.elt".  It would be a far 
> >> >>>more sensible and logical, not only to say, more efficient for 
> >> >>>operating and troubleshooting reasons to have DBT create an 
> >> >>>individual file for each embosser that is installed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sincerely:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Dave Durber
> >> >>>
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> >> >>Don Breda
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* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com
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