[duxhelp] Re: Marking page breaks

  • From: Susan <chrn3292@xxxxxxx>
  • To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:39:52 -0600

George and I got into this discussion last week. Here were my thoughts 
about this dialog:

Mark from Word document is a poor choice of words: it means to respect 
the page numbers you have used in Word, typically found in the footer. 
Using this option means the file goes through DBTs Word macro. When the 
file opens in DBT you get the page numbers inserted as [lea]#. Using 
Preserve hard page breaks with this option is redundant (but not going 
to hurt anything), because if you have a hard page break, you usually 
have a new print page number, although I suppose there could be issues 
if you discontinue page numbering for some reason, and then pick them up 
again a few pages later.

Treat hard page breaks as print page breaks only works if Preserve hard 
page breaks is also checked. In fact, the wording isn't accurate at all 
... as hard page breaks = a new BRAILLE page (that is, [pg]) in DBT ... 
no print page numbers are involved. It seems strange that choosing this 
option wouldn't automatically set Preserve hard page breaks, because I 
can't find any other way to use it if it isn't also checked.

Use publishers' <ipp no=#> reference page breaks can be used without or 
without Preserve hard page breaks. It converts the <ipp no=#> tag to 
[lea]#. If someone isn't doing any formatting in Word, there probably 
wouldn't be hard page breaks in the file, but sometimes publishers do 
use them (though not necessarily meaningful breaks that are useful for 
us). If someone is formatting in Word before opening the file in DBT, 
Preserve hard page breaks can be useful for such things as starting 
certain types of headings on a new braille page, making sure a table 
starts at the beginning of a new braille page, etc.

I think we could use some rewording for these options, to make the 
meaning more apparent.

Susan



Peter Sullivan wrote on 3/1/2005, 12:43 PM:

 > Joanie,
 >
 > Thanks.  I'll have a look.
 >
 > - Peter
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
 > Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:40 PM
 > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Marking page breaks
 >
 > Aha.  That makes sense, thanks Peter.  Unless I'm missing something
 > still, I
 > think I have found a bug since "Treat hard page breaks as print page
 > breaks"
 > seems to produce the same results as "ignore." Steps to reproduce:
 >
 > 1.  In the Word Importer, be sure Preserve hard page breaks is checked
 > and
 > select "treat hard page breaks as print page breaks"
 > 2.  Import a document that has both hard and soft page breaks using the
 > textbook format 3.  Note that braille page numbers are at the bottom as
 > expected, but there is a complete absence of reference page numbers.
 >
 > If I repeat those steps using the equivalent options in SP1 as
 > described by
 > Peter (i.e. checking both Mark Print Page Breaks and Document is
 > scanned),
 > reference numbers appear as expected.
 >
 > Take care.
 > Joanie
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
 > Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:20 PM
 > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Marking page breaks
 >
 > Joanie,
 >
 > "Treat hard page breaks as print page breaks" also implies "*Don't* treat
 > soft page breaks as hard page breaks".  DBT will insert a page break
 > marking
 > only where there is a hard page break.  This is often useful when dealing
 > with files that have been scanned and converted by the OCR software
 > into MS
 > Word format.  Selecting this option is exactly the same as checking both
 > "Mark Print Page Breaks" and "Document is Scanned" in earlier DBT
 > versions.
 >
 > The documentation is indeed still being updated.  For this reason, if
 > for no
 > other, I do expect at least one more beta build before we release.
 >
 > - Peter
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
 > Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:48 PM
 > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > Subject: [duxhelp] Marking page breaks
 >
 > Hi All.  I'm looking at the Word Importer dialog box and noticed the
 > change
 > in the marking of print page breaks.  I'm puzzled by the option to "treat
 > hard page breaks as print page breaks."  At the risk of sounding
 > dense, what
 > exactly does that mean?  In my testing thus far, selecting Ignore is the
 > equivalent of not checking what used to be the Mark Print Page Breaks
 > checkbox.  Selecting Mark from Word Document is the equivalent of
 > checking
 > that checkbox.  When I select Treat Hard Page Breaks as Print Page
 > Breaks,
 > Duxbury seems to behave as if I chose Ignore.  I looked in the
 > documentation, and that is labeled as a section that needs to be written.
 >
 > Any clarification would be appreciated.  Take care.
 > Joanie
 >
 >
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