[duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:57:08 -0000

Hi Joanie,

I work with a huge number of users who just want to produce
braille.  (Well there's a surprise!)

Many just want to produce braille on 2 sizes of paper from
the same embosser.

Or perhaps they have 2 or more embossers with different
sizes (usually widths) of paper.

So, what they want is, in your words, is to "quickly select
the embosser I do need, knowing that the paper width,
characters per line, lines per page, etc. are already set up
the way I want them."

I do NOT want to have to teach them how to set up new
Templates within hours or days of installing what is
effectively in many cases, completely new software.

Or to give you another analogy.  You can set up some
embossers like Index for example, with Setting A, B.  Each
can be for a different size of paper.

But I DO NOT want to have to go to the embosser to select my
paper size.  I want to do it via DBT.

George.


-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
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Sent: 15 March 2005 22:08
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Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

Aha!  Okay, I think I get it now.  And that's why, in your
response to Warren, you said to create multiple templates
rather than multiple embosser configurations.  Perhaps my
fog is lifting.  If so, allow me to play devil's advocate --
just for your consideration, not to be argumentative.

What if there is no such thing as *most new documents*?
What if I produce three categories of documents, and my work
is divided equally among those three types.  My options, as
I understand them are:

1.  66% of the time, change the paper width, characters per
line, lines per page, etc.
2.  Create 3 templates, each of which is associated with a
different document category.

Choice 2 definitely seems preferable.  But, hypothetically,
let's say that sometimes I need to work with the Standard
Literary Format, sometimes with Textbook Format, and still
other times with BANA.  Now I'm up to 9 templates.

With SP1, I have 3 templates and select my template based on
the styles and page numbering I need.  Then, if the embosser
I need is not the default embosser, I can quickly select the
embosser I do need, knowing that the paper width, characters
per line, lines per page, etc. are already set up the way I
want them.

If I were in this hypothetical situation, I would want to
stick with SP1.

Now this is the last I will say on this matter here because,
at long last, Peter has gotten me to understand that what I
was seeing was not a bug and thus this discussion belongs
elsewhere.

Thank you everyone for your patience.
Joanie


   

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:33 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

Joanie,

In response to your question, you've based it on a false
premise.  You cannot change the default form and characters
per line *for one particular
embosser* in Global, Embosser setup.  What you can change
there is the default form and characters per line *for most
new documents*.  The settings you get for your new documents
aren't for "the last embosser you configured".  The settings
really are for the dialog as a whole.

Joanie, you and others have also been very patient with me.
I do understand that this doesn't work the way most people
want and expect.  So I'll keep tuned in.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:21 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

Peter, you are certainly a man of extreme patience, and for
that I am grateful. I understand now that:

1.  It is intentional, and the rationale for the change 2.
The Global Embosser Setup dialog works for the most part the
same as the Document Embosser Setup.
3.  Just because I use only narrow paper does not mean that
I might not use wide later on

I have admittedly played with emb.elt in the past, but two
machines I am currently using have untouched emb.elt files.

You asked:
---
I'm not sure what you might be missing.  Have you tried
switching back from the Index Basic D to the Romeo?  In this
case, will SP1 switch back to the wide paper?
---
I haven't tried that yet.  What I just tried in SP2,
however, was to start fresh, removing all embossers.  I then
added the Index and configured it as described in the
previous message (narrow width, 32 chars per line).  The
Index is the default embosser, and any new document I create
uses the Index with narrow paper and 32 chars per line.  Not
surprising.

Then, I added the Romeo as described in the previous message
(wide width paper, 40 chars per line).  I want the Index to
be the default so I selected that.  ***Now*** Any new
document that I create uses the Index, ***but*** with 40
characters per line and the wide width paper.  

Here is what I think I'm still missing:  Why does changing
the default form and characters per line of one embosser in
the Global Embosser Set Up dialog box change the settings of
all of your configured embossers so that any new document
you create uses the settings of the last embosser you
configured even if that is not the default embosser?

Take care.
Joanie

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