[duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

  • From: "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:20:56 -0500

Peter, you are certainly a man of extreme patience, and for that I am
grateful. I understand now that:

1.  It is intentional, and the rationale for the change
2.  The Global Embosser Setup dialog works for the most part the same as the
Document Embosser Setup.
3.  Just because I use only narrow paper does not mean that I might not use
wide later on

I have admittedly played with emb.elt in the past, but two machines I am
currently using have untouched emb.elt files.

You asked:
---
I'm not sure what you might be missing.  Have you tried switching back from
the Index Basic D to the Romeo?  In this case, will SP1 switch back to the
wide paper?
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I haven't tried that yet.  What I just tried in SP2, however, was to start
fresh, removing all embossers.  I then added the Index and configured it as
described in the previous message (narrow width, 32 chars per line).  The
Index is the default embosser, and any new document I create uses the Index
with narrow paper and 32 chars per line.  Not surprising.

Then, I added the Romeo as described in the previous message (wide width
paper, 40 chars per line).  I want the Index to be the default so I selected
that.  ***Now*** Any new document that I create uses the Index, ***but***
with 40 characters per line and the wide width paper.  

Here is what I think I'm still missing:  Why does changing the default form
and characters per line of one embosser in the Global Embosser Set Up dialog
box change the settings of all of your configured embossers so that any new
document you create uses the settings of the last embosser you configured
even if that is not the default embosser?

Take care.
Joanie

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:52 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

Joanie,

The new behavior is indeed intentional.  Here's why:

When operating the Document, Embosser Setup dialog, people were dismayed to
find things about the document changing when they changed only the embosser
to which the document is targeted.  I heard many complaints about this.  (In
fact, among us at Duxbury, we would typically hear a half dozen complaints
per day.)  The dialog has been changed to try to retain everything about
your document, even the paper size, when you switch embossers.

The Global, Embosser Setup dialog works largely the same way just so that it
isn't too different from the Document, Embosser Setup dialog.

In other words, to DBT there is no such thing as an "Index Basic D that will
only be used for narrow width paper".  We assume that, if the need arises,
you will load other paper into it.

Whatever is happening in SP1, regardless of how much sense it makes to you,
it is surely coincidental that it works as you'd like in this case, unless
you've devised some way (such as editing emb.elt) to tell DBT that each
embosser will be used only with one size of paper.

I'm not sure what you might be missing.  Have you tried switching back from
the Index Basic D to the Romeo?  In this case, will SP1 switch back to the
wide paper?

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:38 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes

Hi Peter.  Thanks for your response.  I think I'm getting confused, though,
because I don't think I should be seeing what I am seeing.  So please allow
me to try again, and if you wouldn't mind pointing out where my
understanding is failing, that would be great.

Steps to reproduce:

In SP1
1.  Configure an Index Basic D that will only be used for narrow width paper
and set the characters per line to 32 2.  Add a Romeo 25 embosser that will
only be used for wide width paper and set the characters per line to 40 3.
While the Romeo 25 is still selected in the Brailler Device list box,
examine the following two controls in the Desired Braille Document
Formatting group:
        a.  Form combo box
        b.  Characters Per Line edit box
4.  You should find that the form combo box contains wide width paper, and
the characters per line is 40.
5.  Select the index in the list box and examine the contents of the
aforementioned controls.  The form combo box contains narrow width paper,
and the characters per line is 32.

Thoughts on findings:  This behavior makes sense because the Index is using
narrow width paper and 32 characters per line and the Romeo is using wide
width paper and 40 characters per line.

In SP2
Repeat steps 1 through 4 above.  You should have the same findings.  Then:
5.  Select the index in the list box and examine the contents of the
aforementioned controls.  The form combo box contains wide width paper, and
the characters per line is 40.

Thoughts on findings:  This behavior doesn't make sense because the Index
should be using narrow width paper and 32 characters per line, yet it says
wide width paper and 40 characters per line.

I apologize for being so dense, but what am I missing?  Is this new behavior
intentional, and if so, why?

Take care.
Joanie

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