[duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing

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  • Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:21:40 -0400

So essentially a method of retrieving/making graphics that DBT
understands and a ruler? If so, then we would be very willing to test
this!

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|            Michael Surato                 |
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:15 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> 
> Michael,
> 
> The main thing is to make sure that you're getting something 
> like WYSIWYG results with different test cases.  We don't 
> have a comprehensive set of test cases.  And, given the 
> different nature of graphics possibilities on different 
> embosser families, I'm not sure that we even could have a 
> comprehensive set for multiple families.  But I can give you 
> some idea of what tends to go wrong.
> 
> We often misunderstand the ratio of graphics spacing to text 
> spacing.  This should be harder to do on a Tiger than on 
> other families, because everything is done as graphics.  But 
> DBT isn't built to match this, so we wind up having to 
> determine and rely on ratios anyhow.
> 
> When we get the ratio wrong, then graphics will be 
> represented badly on the DBT screen or page breaks will be 
> incorrect.  We can wind up leaving blank space down at the 
> bottom of a page if we think an image is larger than it turns 
> out to be on the device.  We can wind up overruning the page 
> if we think that an image is smaller than it turns out to be. 
>  In the case of a Tiger embosser, this would result in the 
> image being clipped at the bottom or right edge of the page.
> 
> DBT's graphics centering feature won't work if we've 
> miscomputed things either.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> 
> What would be required to test this functionality? As this is 
> a very important function, we would be willing to test this 
> as much as possible.
> While I understand that this will, most likely, not make it 
> into this release we would be willing to test anything you 
> have for the next release.
> 
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> |            Michael Surato                 |
> |      Resource Center for Persons          |
> |           with Disabilities               |
> |      Michigan State University            |
> |            120 Bessey Hall                |
> |        East Lansing, MI 48824             |
> | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 |
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:39 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> > 
> > David,
> > 
> > Thanks for the feedback.  We need to hear these things sometimes.
> > 
> > I don't think that we're going to be able to do this for DBT 10.6.  
> > But I do plan to put DBT into something nearly like a "continuous" 
> > beta once DBT 10.6 is shipping.  That is, the plan is to add more 
> > modest improvements and release more frequently than what has been 
> > done for this round.  Among the improvements, we could presumably 
> > offer better support for Tiger embossers.
> > 
> > I just hesitate to do it now, because improved support, while 
> > reasonably simple to code, will require either an intense testing 
> > effort or a longer time than we now have, if the testing is to done 
> > without a bullwhip.
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Spybey
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:36 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > As a Mathematics teacher I use Duxbury frequently. We do 
> have a Tiger 
> > but my use of it is limited and I have not found it as easy 
> to use. In 
> > particular I have found it difficult to create of a multiple paged 
> > document with diagrams in it. I would expect to find this 
> task easier 
> > if the Tiger was directly supported within DBT. So I, for 
> one, would 
> > be very pleased to see graphics supported within DBT.
> > 
> > David Spybey
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: 03 May 2006 13:40
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> > 
> > Michael,
> > 
> > Tigers, and the drivers that come with them, are very good at 
> > producing graphics.
> > 
> > But DBT doesn't directly support that.
> > 
> > The problem for us has simply been lack of consumer demand.  
> > There's nothing about the Tiger that would prevent us supporting 
> > graphics within DBT, but we haven't heard much call for it.
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Michael Surato
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:35 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> > 
> > Are you saying that the Tiger driver will not support graphics, or 
> > that the implementation of graphics is incompatible with the driver 
> > for the Tiger?
> > The main reason we purchased a Tiger embosser was to 
> produce graphics.
> > If we
> > cannot produce graphics inline with text this will severely 
> limit its 
> > usefulness.
> > 
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> > |            Michael Surato                 |
> > |      Resource Center for Persons          |
> > |           with Disabilities               |
> > |      Michigan State University            |
> > |            120 Bessey Hall                |
> > |        East Lansing, MI 48824             |
> > | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 |
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> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Holladay
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:10 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> > > 
> > > The driver for the Tiger does not support graphics.
> > > This is something we knew.
> > > 
> > > We need to make a way for the user to know.
> > > 
> > > We need a way to gracefully end the embossing job without error.
> > > 
> > > Good catch.
> > > 
> > > -- David Holladay
> > > 
> > > At 04:01 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Recently we attempted this graphic on a Tiger Pro embosser
> > > and received
> > > >gibberish from the embosser. This worked fine with our
> > > Juliet Classic
> > > >embossers.
> > > >
> > > >We have also found a location where an assert fails.
> > > >Steps to reproduce:
> > > >1. set up the paper size to a larger size then what is
> > setup in the
> > > >driver.
> > > >2. say OK to the dialog complaining about not finding 
> tiger.ini 3. 
> > > >press cancel on the dialog complaining about the driver 
> paper size
> > > >
> > > >Error message:
> > > >Embossing failed due to an error at line 1545 of file
> > > dxemb_job.c: The
> > > >data area passed to a system call is too small. [122/0x0000007a]
> > > >
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> > > >|            Michael Surato                 |
> > > >|      Resource Center for Persons          |
> > > >|           with Disabilities               |
> > > >|      Michigan State University            |
> > > >|            120 Bessey Hall                |
> > > >|        East Lansing, MI 48824             |
> > > >| Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 |
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > David Holladay
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:10 PM
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Embosser Graphics testing
> > > > >
> > > > > For past versions of DBT, we have occasionally been hit with 
> > > > > problems with graphics.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have made so many changes to the embossing machinery,
> > > it a quite
> > > > > possible that some aspect of graphics may have a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, many models of embossers do not support graphics.
> > > > > But those that do, we want to properly support.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Attached is a graphics file.
> > > > >
> > > > > To import into DBT, go to the layout menu, then picture,
> > > add, then
> > > > > select this file.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is an image of Bart Simpson, star of the cartoon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please give it a try.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- David Holladay
> > > > >
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