[duxhelp] Re: Documentation

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:17:59 +0100

Hi Christian,

Sounds to me rather similar to translating into Shakespeare's language.  I 
don't understand that either!  (Smile)

(Actually, I'm not sure I understand my own words sometimes!)

George. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian Coudert
> Sent: 02 June 2004 17:35
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Documentation
> 
> Hello George and all:
> 
> Thanks for this heavy and extremely useful work!
> 
> We in France are eager to retrieve your document for a 
> translation into Moliere's language!
> 
> So, good luck!
> 
> Christian
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À : 
> <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 1 juin 2004 21:21 
> Objet : [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> 
> 
> Hi Jack,
> 
> Trust me.  Hard copy documentation of one kind or another is 
> extremely high on my own priority list.  However, I do have 
> to write Help based on the final code.  And at the present 
> moment, some areas are a rather moveable feast, and so the 
> actual completion Help is, as always in any software 
> development project, the last task to be done.
> 
> And to explain a little further for everyone's benefit.
> 
> The Help files as they stand, are in fact a compilation of 
> over 600 individual HTML files, which are called "Topics".  
> When you select "Emboss" from within Help, it is in fact 
> invoking DBT's HTML importer, and outputting via your 
> selected default Template and Embosser.
> 
> The software we use to create the Help files is very 
> specialist.  One of its capabilities is to produce printed 
> documentation as Word files, which in turn are a good basis 
> for producing a printed manual.  Word
> 2003 of course now provides a facility to save these files in 
> XML, and for those who are into XML (and may groan at Word's 
> version) this is a major step forward.
> 
> The bottom line is that it will technically now be possible 
> to produce documentation is various formats, though I have to 
> say that given the current targets, this may not be completed 
> on release.
> 
> But we will do our very, very best.
> 
> George.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: 01 June 2004 20:03
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> 
> And fine help files they are. I think it would be good for 
> the on-line help to be put in a series of .dxp files to 
> compliment the .chm files.
> Don thinks Windows perhaps even 98 ships with a utility to 
> convert .chm to html files, which could then be saved as 
> text. In my experience, having both downloadable and on-line 
> help do rather compliment each other.  The problem with the 
> on-line help, and no reflection on George, is acidentally 
> exitting the help program and trying to find my place again. 
> I'm thinking this shouldn't be difficult as the end result 
> has to be compiled into .chm files.
> 
> Thanks
> Jack
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> 
> 
> > Jack,
> >
> > George has been writing the help.  He's done a fabulous job.  At the
> same
> > time, this means that things are unlikely to be documented until
> George
> > understands them (and he does understand this now) and is satisfied
> that
> he
> > won't push for further change (the jury is still out in 
> that regard).
> >
> > Once George is happy with his understanding and our implementation
> then
> > things like this are sure to be documented.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:58 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> > Can we documentthis, in help. It may seem strange, but it 
> makes a kind
> of
> > sense after you repeat the exercise. My guess is that unless DBT is 
> > networked, most of us probably wouldn't have more than two anyway.
> Are
> > printers mutually exclusive, and can you make DBT think a 
> embosser is
> a
> > printer, or vise vers, based on port settings.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > a
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:50 AM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > If you delete all embossers, but don't create a new one, 
> you cannot
> get
> > out
> > > of the remaining dialog using OK -- you must use Cancel.  When you
> use
> > > Cancel, DBT won't save any changes, including the 
> removal, addition,
> or
> > > modification of any embosser configurations.
> > >
> > > George, Ian, and I have been dicussing this issue for 
> some time now.
> > George
> > > maintains that the way it works will be confusing to people.  Your
> report
> > > seems to bear out his point of view.  But there are problems that
> will
> > arise
> > > however we might modify this behavior, so I've been disinclined to
> make
> a
> > > change.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > > I don't know, as it is the only system I have. I'll have to
> re-install
> > > everything, and then try again, or some upt the courage to delete
> the
> > > entries via regedit. I am reluctant to do this, as if the system
> doesn't
> > > boot, I don't have a monitor, let alone requisite help--well who
> needs a
> > > monitor anyway!! Perhaps this is not even a win98 issue. You can
> delete
> > all
> > > embossers, but when you re-initialize DBT they're all still there.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > I've been hearing about some trouble removing 
> embossers; I perhaps
> > hadn't
> > > > picked up the detail that this is with Windows 98 specifically.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:22 PM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > > Will do.
> > > >
> > > > Did I mention it seems impossible to delete embossers 
> under win98.
> I
> > don't
> > > > know what implications this has, as I haven't one.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 AM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jack,
> > > > >
> > > > > Open a file in Word.  For safety, do a File: Save As 
> and save it
> as
> > > > > something else.  Having done that, go to Tools, 
> Options, select
> the
> > > > > Security Tab where you can give it a memorable 
> password.  Close
> the
> > > > > file, and re-open it again, to prove to yourself that it does
> actually
> > > > > require a password.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should now be able to try whatever you want with the file.
> > > > >
> > > > > George.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > > Sent: 01 June 2004 05:52
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to bone up on Ms-Word and Swift before I can
> do
> this
> > > > > adequately. With regard to the help files, is there 
> anything in 
> > > > > particular, you want me to look for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is getting quite intriguing.  Any other Beta testers
> tried
> this
> > > > > > yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I try to open a password protected Word 2003 document in
> any of
> > my
> > > > > > three flavours of DBT, I get a 714 error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if I open the document in Word, and then use the
> current
> > > > > > version of SWIFT (The one which maintains multiple 
> .mws files)
> it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > > into DBT OK, which is, to a large extent, what I 
> would expect,
> or
> at
> > > > > > least hope for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why YOU have the problem is a mystery.  (And bear in mind I
> have
> the
> > > > > > advantage of an XP Home and Pro system, side by side here.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I guess we might also have to look at (but after 10.5
> please!)
> > is
> > > > > > The Information Rights Management Service.  That should give
> > > > > programmers
> > > > > > a mild migraine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 14:59
> > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi George,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I only get "Error 714" if the document is sent to DBT via
> SWIFT.
> > When
> > > > > > using DBTs File Open dialogue, the application hangs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW: "Error 714" is a DBT message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:18 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have just tried it here with XP Professional 
> and Home, and
> > Office
> > > > > > > 2003.  I've also used DBT 10.4, current Beta, and the
> untested
> > > > > > autobuild
> > > > > > > of 28th May, and in all cases I get the same result.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After displaying DBT's normal import dialog, where it
> correctly
> > > > > > > identifies File Type, I get "Error Message 714" 
> pop up, but
> DBT
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > hang or such like.    Nothing appears in the error logs.
> Trawled
> > > > > the
> > > > > > MS
> > > > > > > KB to no avail, and even googled with no success, 
> so I hope
> it's
> a
> > > > > DBT
> > > > > > > error message, which can be rephrased to be something more
> > > > > meaningful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not surprised you didn't find the word "password" in
> Help.
> > Not
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > has the indexing not been completed yet, but the word
> doesn't
> > exist
> > > > > > > anywhere in the text.  Got any ideas for a topic 
> that should
> > include
> > > > > > > "password"?  (Smile)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 11:47
> > > > > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Password Protected Documents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This isn't strictly a beta issue as I can 
> replicate it with
> 10.4.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trying to open a password protected Word document 
> causes DBT
> to
> > > > > hang.
> > > > > > > The title bar is visible to JAWS, but the 
> application is not
> > > > > > responding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trying to close DBT caused Windows XP to display the "This
> program
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not responding" dialogue.  Selecting "End now", 
> caused a lot
> of
> > hard
> > > > > > > disc activity and a slow down of the whole 
> system, but a DBT
> > window
> > > > > > > still remained.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the end, I had to reboot the system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, I searched DBT's Help for "password", and got no
> results.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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