[duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:57:55 -0700

A parenthetical note. I realize Joe does the compile for the translation
tables.

Jack


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Émile Ouellet" <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display


> Hi everyone,
>
> Here aslo, I fix the print font too 10 and the display on my BrailleNote
is
> ok, same as dbt10.4.
>
> It is ok for me.
>
> Émile fron Québec.
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine ----- 
> De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Envoyé : 26 mai 2004 21:12
> Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>
> Thank you Caryn, Christian, Peter (and anyone else who may have been
> involved) in trying to find a "fix" for the way the text of DBT10.5 is
> displayed on my Braille display.
>
> I see that while I had another good night of sleep here in Australia you
> were all working hard.
>
> I now have my print font set to courier new 10
> and in default views I have braille set to print.
>
> All appears to work well so I am off now to download beta3 and start
giving
> it another good work out.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>          At 06:28 AM 5/27/04, you wrote:
>
>
>
> >Caryn,
> >
> >The change you made to dfbraille is just like changing the default font
for
> >braille documents to "Print Font".  In other words, you've effectively
set
> >braille documents to display in a 10 point print font.
> >
> >- Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> >Behalf Of Caryn Navy
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:26 PM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >Hello Christian et al.  I have some news about the braille display
spacing
> >problem in DBT's normal braille view.  I found that I had the problem
when
> >using the beta installation of DBT, but not when I used the in-house
> >autobuild installation of DBT.  This difference was true even if the two
> >installations had the same date.
> >
> >So I started comparing the registry settings for the two different
> >installations under Display and Fonts and found several differences.
> >
> >Now I no longer have the braille display spacing problem in my beta
> >installation of DBT, after making the following two changes:
> >
> >-- in Fonts, changing print display size from hexadecimal C to A (decimal
> 12
> >to 10);
> >-- in Display, changing dfbraille from hexadecimal 4B3 to 4B1 (decimal
1203
> >to 1201).
> >
> >In my beta installation of DBT I also have braille display size set to
> >hexadecimal 12 (decimal 18).
> >
> >Hoping this helps,
> >Caryn
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:26 AM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >
> >Christian:
> >
> >Please do not put "ForceScreenSpacing" in the Display tree.  Put it
> directly
> >in:
> >
> >   HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta
> >
> >It will likely be the only value there.  This is OK.
> >
> >- Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> >Behalf Of Christian Coudert
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:21 AM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >Well Peter:
> >
> >In the "Display" tree, I created the "ForceScreenSpacing" key with the
> value
> >"0"
> >and cant' see any difference.
> >
> >I attempted to modify the "BrailleDisplaySize" key in the "Font" entry
and
> >set it to 0 instead of 12: no change.
> >
> >Ready for new tests!
> >
> >Christian
> >----- Message d'origine -----
> >De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé
> >: mercredi 26 mai 2004 16:38 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille
> display
> >
> >
> >Hello Christian,
> >
> >I see that I've given you rather bad directions.  The name is
> >"ForceScreenSpacing".
> >
> >- Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> >Behalf Of Christian Coudert
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:28 AM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >Hi Peter:
> >
> >I catched the location:
> >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta
> >
> >In the Tree, I select Display.
> >Then I create a Dword key with the value 0. But Which name must I give to
> >the key?
> >
> >Christian
> >----- Message d'origine -----
> >De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé
> >: mardi 25 mai 2004 18:53 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >
> >Christian:
> >
> >You are correct that print font choices are more limited in DBT 10.5 than
> in
> >DBT 10.5.  This is not due to anything changed or limited in Windows.  It
> is
> >because we added to DBT the ability to see bold and italicized text
> >on-screen using bold and italicized versions of the fonts.  This makes
> >documents more comforting to view after importing from a word processor.
> >
> >However, some Windows fonts, when bolded, become wider.  This is
something
> >that DBT cannot handle well.  So we disabled use of these fonts in DBT
> 10.5.
> >
> >This conversation has helped me to remember something possibly very
> >important.  DBT 10.5 does change the way that lines of text are drawn,
even
> >in formatted view, in a very important way.  DBT 10.5 normally draws
lines
> >of text one character at a time, so that even if the user somehow manages
> to
> >select a font that becomes wider when made bold, there won't be a
> >substantial problem with the on-screen display when bold text is shown.
> >This change may be causing the problem with braille displays.
> >
> >Perhaps you (or Christine) could try adding a registry value to the
> >following location:
> >   HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta
> >
> >To this location, add a DWORD value of 0.  This will cause DBT 10.5 to
> >display text in formatted view using the same method as DBT 10.4 did.
> There
> >is still a significant change to the coded view.  However, the registry
> >change may well give you greater flexibility about fonts in either view.
> If
> >so, I would be delighted to change the default behavior.  We could make
it
> >so that the new-style drawing is reserved for those presumably rare
> >instances where bolded text display is a problem.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> >Behalf Of Christian Coudert
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:38 PM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >Hell Peter, Christine and all:
> >
> >I confirm that on a braille display (with my configuration: Win98, Jaws
> >4.51, Handy-Tech Braile-Window 80 cells):
> >
> >-- In print documents, either with formatted view or with coded view, all
> is
> >nearly correct with print font; but in formatted view I cannot precisely
> >control the number of blank spaces between words or at the beginning of a
> >paragraph. I attempted to modify the font and the size: the difference is
> >very clear with several sizes 18 or 24, for example). But I notice only
one
> >blank space instead of 2 for each starting of paragraph.
> >I created a print document with [tab5], [tab10], [tab15] and so forth...
> and
> >wrote one digit at each tab: the best result was with Letter Gothic, size
> >18; but it was never quite exact; moreover this choice is a catastrophy
in
> a
> >"normal" text because of extra spaces added between words: size 12 is the
> >less worse.
> >
> >-- With DBT 10.4, I could see 8 fonts in Global / Fonts; with 10.5 I only
> >see "Courier new" and "Letter gothic". Windows must be responsible...
> >
> >-- In Braille documents, both with formatted view or coded view, the
print
> >font is the best solution.
> >
> >* With formatted view and Braille/Simbraille font, my braille lines
contain
> >more or less 50 characters -- whereas my embosser setup is set to 30;
which
> >means that many extra spaces are added to reach these 50 signs...
> >
> >* With coded view and Braille/Simbraille font, size 18 (the default one),
I
> >can't read the end of my lines which are limitted up to 47-48 cells.
> >
> >A chinise puzzle!
> >
> >So: Ctrl+F5 in braille documents and DBT becomes our friend again...
> >
> >All the best.
> >
> >Christian, from Paris.
> >----- Message d'origine -----
> >De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé
> >: mardi 25 mai 2004 17:20 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >
> >Christine:
> >
> >Christian's proposed solution should work like a charm.
> >
> >But I remain puzzled.  DBT's coded view has changed quite radically from
> DBT
> >10.4 to DBT 10.5.
> >
> >But the formatted view really hasn't changed.  The code internally is
> >cleaner, but the calls made to Windows really should be the same.
(Perhaps
> >I'm simply mistaken in this assertion; it is hard to argue against
manifest
> >reality.)  I do suspect that the default font size may have changed from
> DBT
> >10.4 to DBT 10.5.
> >
> >So perhaps you can let me know whether the difficulty is with coded view
> >only, or is it also with formatted view?
> >
> >In either case, Christian has been working with a braille display and DBT
> >10.5 for some time now.  He's helped us to avoid much larger problems; to
> >his credit, what remains appears at least to have a workaround.
> >
> >- Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> >Behalf Of Christian Coudert
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:51 AM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >Hello Christine:
> >
> >Yes, this phenomenon is known and is due to the new graphic interface of
> DBT
> >10.5.
> >
> >The best solution for me is to select "Print font" in braille documents
> >(Ctrl+F5. To set this mode as the d'efault one, go to Global / Default
view
> >and then tick the appropriate box.
> >
> >If you find the same problem in print documents, go to Global / Fonts and
> >choose another font (on my PC, "Letter Gothic" is the better one).
> >
> >Good luck!
> >
> >Christian
> >----- Message d'origine -----
> >De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À :
> ><duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 03:50 Objet :
[duxhelp]
> >DBT on my Braille display
> >
> >
> >Good morning,
> >
> >Since downloading DBT10.5 I have noticed some strange behaviour with my
> >Braille display.
> >
> >I am using a BrailleStar with JFW5.
> >
> >I notice that often when I open a file and more so when I translate it to
a
> >DXB file, the spaces between the words are not correctly shown.  A space
> >character often takes up several braille cells.  It is as if the
character
> >is stretched and obviously this makes reading the file very difficult.
As
> >far as I know, text on screen is ok and certainly when I move my cursor
JFW
> >does not give any indication of anything being wrong.
> >
> >Is anyone able to shed some light on this for me please?
> >
> >Everything was correct in 10.4 and infact, still is.  If I go back and
load
> >10.4 nothing is wrong but if I then open 10.5 and open the same file, the
> >error is likely to occur.
> >
> >Help and suggestions will be appreciated
> >
> >Christine
> >
> >
> >
> >
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