A parenthetical note. I realize Joe does the compile for the translation tables. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Émile Ouellet" <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > Hi everyone, > > Here aslo, I fix the print font too 10 and the display on my BrailleNote is > ok, same as dbt10.4. > > It is ok for me. > > Émile fron Québec. > > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Envoyé : 26 mai 2004 21:12 > Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > Thank you Caryn, Christian, Peter (and anyone else who may have been > involved) in trying to find a "fix" for the way the text of DBT10.5 is > displayed on my Braille display. > > I see that while I had another good night of sleep here in Australia you > were all working hard. > > I now have my print font set to courier new 10 > and in default views I have braille set to print. > > All appears to work well so I am off now to download beta3 and start giving > it another good work out. > > Many thanks > > Christine > > > > > > > At 06:28 AM 5/27/04, you wrote: > > > > >Caryn, > > > >The change you made to dfbraille is just like changing the default font for > >braille documents to "Print Font". In other words, you've effectively set > >braille documents to display in a 10 point print font. > > > >- Peter > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >Behalf Of Caryn Navy > >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:26 PM > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > >Hello Christian et al. I have some news about the braille display spacing > >problem in DBT's normal braille view. I found that I had the problem when > >using the beta installation of DBT, but not when I used the in-house > >autobuild installation of DBT. This difference was true even if the two > >installations had the same date. > > > >So I started comparing the registry settings for the two different > >installations under Display and Fonts and found several differences. > > > >Now I no longer have the braille display spacing problem in my beta > >installation of DBT, after making the following two changes: > > > >-- in Fonts, changing print display size from hexadecimal C to A (decimal > 12 > >to 10); > >-- in Display, changing dfbraille from hexadecimal 4B3 to 4B1 (decimal 1203 > >to 1201). > > > >In my beta installation of DBT I also have braille display size set to > >hexadecimal 12 (decimal 18). > > > >Hoping this helps, > >Caryn > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:26 AM > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > > > >Christian: > > > >Please do not put "ForceScreenSpacing" in the Display tree. Put it > directly > >in: > > > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta > > > >It will likely be the only value there. This is OK. > > > >- Peter > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >Behalf Of Christian Coudert > >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:21 AM > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > >Well Peter: > > > >In the "Display" tree, I created the "ForceScreenSpacing" key with the > value > >"0" > >and cant' see any difference. > > > >I attempted to modify the "BrailleDisplaySize" key in the "Font" entry and > >set it to 0 instead of 12: no change. > > > >Ready for new tests! > > > >Christian > >----- Message d'origine ----- > >De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé > >: mercredi 26 mai 2004 16:38 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille > display > > > > > >Hello Christian, > > > >I see that I've given you rather bad directions. The name is > >"ForceScreenSpacing". > > > >- Peter > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >Behalf Of Christian Coudert > >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:28 AM > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > >Hi Peter: > > > >I catched the location: > >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta > > > >In the Tree, I select Display. > >Then I create a Dword key with the value 0. But Which name must I give to > >the key? > > > >Christian > >----- Message d'origine ----- > >De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé > >: mardi 25 mai 2004 18:53 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > > > >Christian: > > > >You are correct that print font choices are more limited in DBT 10.5 than > in > >DBT 10.5. This is not due to anything changed or limited in Windows. It > is > >because we added to DBT the ability to see bold and italicized text > >on-screen using bold and italicized versions of the fonts. This makes > >documents more comforting to view after importing from a word processor. > > > >However, some Windows fonts, when bolded, become wider. This is something > >that DBT cannot handle well. So we disabled use of these fonts in DBT > 10.5. > > > >This conversation has helped me to remember something possibly very > >important. DBT 10.5 does change the way that lines of text are drawn, even > >in formatted view, in a very important way. DBT 10.5 normally draws lines > >of text one character at a time, so that even if the user somehow manages > to > >select a font that becomes wider when made bold, there won't be a > >substantial problem with the on-screen display when bold text is shown. > >This change may be causing the problem with braille displays. > > > >Perhaps you (or Christine) could try adding a registry value to the > >following location: > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta > > > >To this location, add a DWORD value of 0. This will cause DBT 10.5 to > >display text in formatted view using the same method as DBT 10.4 did. > There > >is still a significant change to the coded view. However, the registry > >change may well give you greater flexibility about fonts in either view. > If > >so, I would be delighted to change the default behavior. We could make it > >so that the new-style drawing is reserved for those presumably rare > >instances where bolded text display is a problem. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Peter > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >Behalf Of Christian Coudert > >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:38 PM > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > >Hell Peter, Christine and all: > > > >I confirm that on a braille display (with my configuration: Win98, Jaws > >4.51, Handy-Tech Braile-Window 80 cells): > > > >-- In print documents, either with formatted view or with coded view, all > is > >nearly correct with print font; but in formatted view I cannot precisely > >control the number of blank spaces between words or at the beginning of a > >paragraph. I attempted to modify the font and the size: the difference is > >very clear with several sizes 18 or 24, for example). But I notice only one > >blank space instead of 2 for each starting of paragraph. > >I created a print document with [tab5], [tab10], [tab15] and so forth... > and > >wrote one digit at each tab: the best result was with Letter Gothic, size > >18; but it was never quite exact; moreover this choice is a catastrophy in > a > >"normal" text because of extra spaces added between words: size 12 is the > >less worse. > > > >-- With DBT 10.4, I could see 8 fonts in Global / Fonts; with 10.5 I only > >see "Courier new" and "Letter gothic". Windows must be responsible... > > > >-- In Braille documents, both with formatted view or coded view, the print > >font is the best solution. > > > >* With formatted view and Braille/Simbraille font, my braille lines contain > >more or less 50 characters -- whereas my embosser setup is set to 30; which > >means that many extra spaces are added to reach these 50 signs... > > > >* With coded view and Braille/Simbraille font, size 18 (the default one), I > >can't read the end of my lines which are limitted up to 47-48 cells. > > > >A chinise puzzle! > > > >So: Ctrl+F5 in braille documents and DBT becomes our friend again... > > > >All the best. > > > >Christian, from Paris. > >----- Message d'origine ----- > >De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé > >: mardi 25 mai 2004 17:20 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > > > >Christine: > > > >Christian's proposed solution should work like a charm. > > > >But I remain puzzled. DBT's coded view has changed quite radically from > DBT > >10.4 to DBT 10.5. > > > >But the formatted view really hasn't changed. The code internally is > >cleaner, but the calls made to Windows really should be the same. (Perhaps > >I'm simply mistaken in this assertion; it is hard to argue against manifest > >reality.) I do suspect that the default font size may have changed from > DBT > >10.4 to DBT 10.5. > > > >So perhaps you can let me know whether the difficulty is with coded view > >only, or is it also with formatted view? > > > >In either case, Christian has been working with a braille display and DBT > >10.5 for some time now. He's helped us to avoid much larger problems; to > >his credit, what remains appears at least to have a workaround. > > > >- Peter > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >Behalf Of Christian Coudert > >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:51 AM > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display > > > >Hello Christine: > > > >Yes, this phenomenon is known and is due to the new graphic interface of > DBT > >10.5. > > > >The best solution for me is to select "Print font" in braille documents > >(Ctrl+F5. To set this mode as the d'efault one, go to Global / Default view > >and then tick the appropriate box. > > > >If you find the same problem in print documents, go to Global / Fonts and > >choose another font (on my PC, "Letter Gothic" is the better one). > > > >Good luck! > > > >Christian > >----- Message d'origine ----- > >De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À : > ><duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 03:50 Objet : [duxhelp] > >DBT on my Braille display > > > > > >Good morning, > > > >Since downloading DBT10.5 I have noticed some strange behaviour with my > >Braille display. > > > >I am using a BrailleStar with JFW5. > > > >I notice that often when I open a file and more so when I translate it to a > >DXB file, the spaces between the words are not correctly shown. A space > >character often takes up several braille cells. It is as if the character > >is stretched and obviously this makes reading the file very difficult. As > >far as I know, text on screen is ok and certainly when I move my cursor JFW > >does not give any indication of anything being wrong. > > > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this for me please? > > > >Everything was correct in 10.4 and infact, still is. If I go back and load > >10.4 nothing is wrong but if I then open 10.5 and open the same file, the > >error is likely to occur. > > > >Help and suggestions will be appreciated > > > >Christine > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * > >Christine Simpson > >Information Alternatives > >Accessing The Information You Need > >18 Prosper Parade > >Glen Iris VIC 3146 > >AUSTRALIA > >Tel: 61 3 9889 0392 > >Mob: 0418 331 506 > >Fax: 61 3 9889 6286 > >Email: simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >* * * > >* This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > >* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > >* unsubscribe > >* as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. 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