Hello Caryn and all: For me, no difference on my braille display, either with "duxbeta 3" or "duxlatest autobuild 2004-05-27". I was wrong saying that the Print font solves everything in braille documents: several tests with [ind3], [ind4], [ind5] and Tab codes show that the intented lines never begin at the right position (respectively cell #3, cell #4 and cell #5). Other tests with hard spaces show that the number of forced blank spaces are not exactly equivalent to what I typed (of course all is correct when embossing). Best regards. Christian ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Caryn Navy" <caryn@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mercredi 26 mai 2004 22:25 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Hello Christian et al. I have some news about the braille display spacing problem in DBT's normal braille view. I found that I had the problem when using the beta installation of DBT, but not when I used the in-house autobuild installation of DBT. This difference was true even if the two installations had the same date. So I started comparing the registry settings for the two different installations under Display and Fonts and found several differences. Now I no longer have the braille display spacing problem in my beta installation of DBT, after making the following two changes: -- in Fonts, changing print display size from hexadecimal C to A (decimal 12 to 10); -- in Display, changing dfbraille from hexadecimal 4B3 to 4B1 (decimal 1203 to 1201). In my beta installation of DBT I also have braille display size set to hexadecimal 12 (decimal 18). Hoping this helps, Caryn -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:26 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Christian: Please do not put "ForceScreenSpacing" in the Display tree. Put it directly in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta It will likely be the only value there. This is OK. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian Coudert Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:21 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Well Peter: In the "Display" tree, I created the "ForceScreenSpacing" key with the value "0" and cant' see any difference. I attempted to modify the "BrailleDisplaySize" key in the "Font" entry and set it to 0 instead of 12: no change. Ready for new tests! Christian ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mercredi 26 mai 2004 16:38 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Hello Christian, I see that I've given you rather bad directions. The name is "ForceScreenSpacing". - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian Coudert Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:28 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Hi Peter: I catched the location: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta In the Tree, I select Display. Then I create a Dword key with the value 0. But Which name must I give to the key? Christian ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 18:53 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Christian: You are correct that print font choices are more limited in DBT 10.5 than in DBT 10.5. This is not due to anything changed or limited in Windows. It is because we added to DBT the ability to see bold and italicized text on-screen using bold and italicized versions of the fonts. This makes documents more comforting to view after importing from a word processor. However, some Windows fonts, when bolded, become wider. This is something that DBT cannot handle well. So we disabled use of these fonts in DBT 10.5. This conversation has helped me to remember something possibly very important. DBT 10.5 does change the way that lines of text are drawn, even in formatted view, in a very important way. DBT 10.5 normally draws lines of text one character at a time, so that even if the user somehow manages to select a font that becomes wider when made bold, there won't be a substantial problem with the on-screen display when bold text is shown. This change may be causing the problem with braille displays. Perhaps you (or Christine) could try adding a registry value to the following location: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta To this location, add a DWORD value of 0. This will cause DBT 10.5 to display text in formatted view using the same method as DBT 10.4 did. There is still a significant change to the coded view. However, the registry change may well give you greater flexibility about fonts in either view. If so, I would be delighted to change the default behavior. We could make it so that the new-style drawing is reserved for those presumably rare instances where bolded text display is a problem. Best Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian Coudert Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:38 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Hell Peter, Christine and all: I confirm that on a braille display (with my configuration: Win98, Jaws 4.51, Handy-Tech Braile-Window 80 cells): -- In print documents, either with formatted view or with coded view, all is nearly correct with print font; but in formatted view I cannot precisely control the number of blank spaces between words or at the beginning of a paragraph. I attempted to modify the font and the size: the difference is very clear with several sizes 18 or 24, for example). But I notice only one blank space instead of 2 for each starting of paragraph. I created a print document with [tab5], [tab10], [tab15] and so forth... and wrote one digit at each tab: the best result was with Letter Gothic, size 18; but it was never quite exact; moreover this choice is a catastrophy in a "normal" text because of extra spaces added between words: size 12 is the less worse. -- With DBT 10.4, I could see 8 fonts in Global / Fonts; with 10.5 I only see "Courier new" and "Letter gothic". Windows must be responsible... -- In Braille documents, both with formatted view or coded view, the print font is the best solution. * With formatted view and Braille/Simbraille font, my braille lines contain more or less 50 characters -- whereas my embosser setup is set to 30; which means that many extra spaces are added to reach these 50 signs... * With coded view and Braille/Simbraille font, size 18 (the default one), I can't read the end of my lines which are limitted up to 47-48 cells. A chinise puzzle! So: Ctrl+F5 in braille documents and DBT becomes our friend again... All the best. Christian, from Paris. ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 17:20 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Christine: Christian's proposed solution should work like a charm. But I remain puzzled. DBT's coded view has changed quite radically from DBT 10.4 to DBT 10.5. But the formatted view really hasn't changed. The code internally is cleaner, but the calls made to Windows really should be the same. (Perhaps I'm simply mistaken in this assertion; it is hard to argue against manifest reality.) I do suspect that the default font size may have changed from DBT 10.4 to DBT 10.5. So perhaps you can let me know whether the difficulty is with coded view only, or is it also with formatted view? In either case, Christian has been working with a braille display and DBT 10.5 for some time now. He's helped us to avoid much larger problems; to his credit, what remains appears at least to have a workaround. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian Coudert Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:51 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display Hello Christine: Yes, this phenomenon is known and is due to the new graphic interface of DBT 10.5. The best solution for me is to select "Print font" in braille documents (Ctrl+F5. To set this mode as the d'efault one, go to Global / Default view and then tick the appropriate box. If you find the same problem in print documents, go to Global / Fonts and choose another font (on my PC, "Letter Gothic" is the better one). Good luck! Christian ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 03:50 Objet : [duxhelp] DBT on my Braille display Good morning, Since downloading DBT10.5 I have noticed some strange behaviour with my Braille display. I am using a BrailleStar with JFW5. I notice that often when I open a file and more so when I translate it to a DXB file, the spaces between the words are not correctly shown. A space character often takes up several braille cells. It is as if the character is stretched and obviously this makes reading the file very difficult. As far as I know, text on screen is ok and certainly when I move my cursor JFW does not give any indication of anything being wrong. Is anyone able to shed some light on this for me please? Everything was correct in 10.4 and infact, still is. If I go back and load 10.4 nothing is wrong but if I then open 10.5 and open the same file, the error is likely to occur. 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