[duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

  • From: Émile Ouellet <emile@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:39:42 -0400

Hi everyone,

Here aslo, I fix the print font too 10 and the display on my BrailleNote is
ok, same as dbt10.4.

It is ok for me.

Émile fron Québec.


----- Message d'origine ----- 
De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé : 26 mai 2004 21:12
Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display


Thank you Caryn, Christian, Peter (and anyone else who may have been
involved) in trying to find a "fix" for the way the text of DBT10.5 is
displayed on my Braille display.

I see that while I had another good night of sleep here in Australia you
were all working hard.

I now have my print font set to courier new 10
and in default views I have braille set to print.

All appears to work well so I am off now to download beta3 and start giving
it another good work out.

Many thanks

Christine






         At 06:28 AM 5/27/04, you wrote:



>Caryn,
>
>The change you made to dfbraille is just like changing the default font for
>braille documents to "Print Font".  In other words, you've effectively set
>braille documents to display in a 10 point print font.
>
>- Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Caryn Navy
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:26 PM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>Hello Christian et al.  I have some news about the braille display spacing
>problem in DBT's normal braille view.  I found that I had the problem when
>using the beta installation of DBT, but not when I used the in-house
>autobuild installation of DBT.  This difference was true even if the two
>installations had the same date.
>
>So I started comparing the registry settings for the two different
>installations under Display and Fonts and found several differences.
>
>Now I no longer have the braille display spacing problem in my beta
>installation of DBT, after making the following two changes:
>
>-- in Fonts, changing print display size from hexadecimal C to A (decimal
12
>to 10);
>-- in Display, changing dfbraille from hexadecimal 4B3 to 4B1 (decimal 1203
>to 1201).
>
>In my beta installation of DBT I also have braille display size set to
>hexadecimal 12 (decimal 18).
>
>Hoping this helps,
>Caryn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:26 AM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>
>Christian:
>
>Please do not put "ForceScreenSpacing" in the Display tree.  Put it
directly
>in:
>
>   HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta
>
>It will likely be the only value there.  This is OK.
>
>- Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Christian Coudert
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:21 AM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>Well Peter:
>
>In the "Display" tree, I created the "ForceScreenSpacing" key with the
value
>"0"
>and cant' see any difference.
>
>I attempted to modify the "BrailleDisplaySize" key in the "Font" entry and
>set it to 0 instead of 12: no change.
>
>Ready for new tests!
>
>Christian
>----- Message d'origine -----
>De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
>: mercredi 26 mai 2004 16:38 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille
display
>
>
>Hello Christian,
>
>I see that I've given you rather bad directions.  The name is
>"ForceScreenSpacing".
>
>- Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Christian Coudert
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:28 AM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>Hi Peter:
>
>I catched the location:
>HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta
>
>In the Tree, I select Display.
>Then I create a Dword key with the value 0. But Which name must I give to
>the key?
>
>Christian
>----- Message d'origine -----
>De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
>: mardi 25 mai 2004 18:53 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>
>Christian:
>
>You are correct that print font choices are more limited in DBT 10.5 than
in
>DBT 10.5.  This is not due to anything changed or limited in Windows.  It
is
>because we added to DBT the ability to see bold and italicized text
>on-screen using bold and italicized versions of the fonts.  This makes
>documents more comforting to view after importing from a word processor.
>
>However, some Windows fonts, when bolded, become wider.  This is something
>that DBT cannot handle well.  So we disabled use of these fonts in DBT
10.5.
>
>This conversation has helped me to remember something possibly very
>important.  DBT 10.5 does change the way that lines of text are drawn, even
>in formatted view, in a very important way.  DBT 10.5 normally draws lines
>of text one character at a time, so that even if the user somehow manages
to
>select a font that becomes wider when made bold, there won't be a
>substantial problem with the on-screen display when bold text is shown.
>This change may be causing the problem with braille displays.
>
>Perhaps you (or Christine) could try adding a registry value to the
>following location:
>   HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta
>
>To this location, add a DWORD value of 0.  This will cause DBT 10.5 to
>display text in formatted view using the same method as DBT 10.4 did.
There
>is still a significant change to the coded view.  However, the registry
>change may well give you greater flexibility about fonts in either view.
If
>so, I would be delighted to change the default behavior.  We could make it
>so that the new-style drawing is reserved for those presumably rare
>instances where bolded text display is a problem.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Christian Coudert
>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:38 PM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>Hell Peter, Christine and all:
>
>I confirm that on a braille display (with my configuration: Win98, Jaws
>4.51, Handy-Tech Braile-Window 80 cells):
>
>-- In print documents, either with formatted view or with coded view, all
is
>nearly correct with print font; but in formatted view I cannot precisely
>control the number of blank spaces between words or at the beginning of a
>paragraph. I attempted to modify the font and the size: the difference is
>very clear with several sizes 18 or 24, for example). But I notice only one
>blank space instead of 2 for each starting of paragraph.
>I created a print document with [tab5], [tab10], [tab15] and so forth...
and
>wrote one digit at each tab: the best result was with Letter Gothic, size
>18; but it was never quite exact; moreover this choice is a catastrophy in
a
>"normal" text because of extra spaces added between words: size 12 is the
>less worse.
>
>-- With DBT 10.4, I could see 8 fonts in Global / Fonts; with 10.5 I only
>see "Courier new" and "Letter gothic". Windows must be responsible...
>
>-- In Braille documents, both with formatted view or coded view, the print
>font is the best solution.
>
>* With formatted view and Braille/Simbraille font, my braille lines contain
>more or less 50 characters -- whereas my embosser setup is set to 30; which
>means that many extra spaces are added to reach these 50 signs...
>
>* With coded view and Braille/Simbraille font, size 18 (the default one), I
>can't read the end of my lines which are limitted up to 47-48 cells.
>
>A chinise puzzle!
>
>So: Ctrl+F5 in braille documents and DBT becomes our friend again...
>
>All the best.
>
>Christian, from Paris.
>----- Message d'origine -----
>De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
>: mardi 25 mai 2004 17:20 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>
>Christine:
>
>Christian's proposed solution should work like a charm.
>
>But I remain puzzled.  DBT's coded view has changed quite radically from
DBT
>10.4 to DBT 10.5.
>
>But the formatted view really hasn't changed.  The code internally is
>cleaner, but the calls made to Windows really should be the same.  (Perhaps
>I'm simply mistaken in this assertion; it is hard to argue against manifest
>reality.)  I do suspect that the default font size may have changed from
DBT
>10.4 to DBT 10.5.
>
>So perhaps you can let me know whether the difficulty is with coded view
>only, or is it also with formatted view?
>
>In either case, Christian has been working with a braille display and DBT
>10.5 for some time now.  He's helped us to avoid much larger problems; to
>his credit, what remains appears at least to have a workaround.
>
>- Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Christian Coudert
>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:51 AM
>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display
>
>Hello Christine:
>
>Yes, this phenomenon is known and is due to the new graphic interface of
DBT
>10.5.
>
>The best solution for me is to select "Print font" in braille documents
>(Ctrl+F5. To set this mode as the d'efault one, go to Global / Default view
>and then tick the appropriate box.
>
>If you find the same problem in print documents, go to Global / Fonts and
>choose another font (on my PC, "Letter Gothic" is the better one).
>
>Good luck!
>
>Christian
>----- Message d'origine -----
>De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À :
><duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 03:50 Objet : [duxhelp]
>DBT on my Braille display
>
>
>Good morning,
>
>Since downloading DBT10.5 I have noticed some strange behaviour with my
>Braille display.
>
>I am using a BrailleStar with JFW5.
>
>I notice that often when I open a file and more so when I translate it to a
>DXB file, the spaces between the words are not correctly shown.  A space
>character often takes up several braille cells.  It is as if the character
>is stretched and obviously this makes reading the file very difficult.  As
>far as I know, text on screen is ok and certainly when I move my cursor JFW
>does not give any indication of anything being wrong.
>
>Is anyone able to shed some light on this for me please?
>
>Everything was correct in 10.4 and infact, still is.  If I go back and load
>10.4 nothing is wrong but if I then open 10.5 and open the same file, the
>error is likely to occur.
>
>Help and suggestions will be appreciated
>
>Christine
>
>
>
>
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