[duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:28:07 -0400

Caryn,

The change you made to dfbraille is just like changing the default font for
braille documents to "Print Font".  In other words, you've effectively set
braille documents to display in a 10 point print font.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Caryn Navy
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 4:26 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

Hello Christian et al.  I have some news about the braille display spacing
problem in DBT's normal braille view.  I found that I had the problem when
using the beta installation of DBT, but not when I used the in-house
autobuild installation of DBT.  This difference was true even if the two
installations had the same date.

So I started comparing the registry settings for the two different
installations under Display and Fonts and found several differences.

Now I no longer have the braille display spacing problem in my beta
installation of DBT, after making the following two changes:

-- in Fonts, changing print display size from hexadecimal C to A (decimal 12
to 10);
-- in Display, changing dfbraille from hexadecimal 4B3 to 4B1 (decimal 1203
to 1201).

In my beta installation of DBT I also have braille display size set to
hexadecimal 12 (decimal 18).

Hoping this helps,
Caryn

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:26 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display


Christian:

Please do not put "ForceScreenSpacing" in the Display tree.  Put it directly
in:

  HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta

It will likely be the only value there.  This is OK.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christian Coudert
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:21 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

Well Peter:

In the "Display" tree, I created the "ForceScreenSpacing" key with the value
"0"
and cant' see any difference.

I attempted to modify the "BrailleDisplaySize" key in the "Font" entry and
set it to 0 instead of 12: no change.

Ready for new tests!

Christian
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
: mercredi 26 mai 2004 16:38 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display


Hello Christian,

I see that I've given you rather bad directions.  The name is
"ForceScreenSpacing".

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christian Coudert
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:28 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

Hi Peter:

I catched the location:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta

In the Tree, I select Display.
Then I create a Dword key with the value 0. But Which name must I give to
the key?

Christian
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
: mardi 25 mai 2004 18:53 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display


Christian:

You are correct that print font choices are more limited in DBT 10.5 than in
DBT 10.5.  This is not due to anything changed or limited in Windows.  It is
because we added to DBT the ability to see bold and italicized text
on-screen using bold and italicized versions of the fonts.  This makes
documents more comforting to view after importing from a word processor.

However, some Windows fonts, when bolded, become wider.  This is something
that DBT cannot handle well.  So we disabled use of these fonts in DBT 10.5.

This conversation has helped me to remember something possibly very
important.  DBT 10.5 does change the way that lines of text are drawn, even
in formatted view, in a very important way.  DBT 10.5 normally draws lines
of text one character at a time, so that even if the user somehow manages to
select a font that becomes wider when made bold, there won't be a
substantial problem with the on-screen display when bold text is shown.
This change may be causing the problem with braille displays.

Perhaps you (or Christine) could try adding a registry value to the
following location:
  HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Duxbury Systems, Inc.\DBT Beta

To this location, add a DWORD value of 0.  This will cause DBT 10.5 to
display text in formatted view using the same method as DBT 10.4 did.  There
is still a significant change to the coded view.  However, the registry
change may well give you greater flexibility about fonts in either view.  If
so, I would be delighted to change the default behavior.  We could make it
so that the new-style drawing is reserved for those presumably rare
instances where bolded text display is a problem.

Best Regards,

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christian Coudert
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:38 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

Hell Peter, Christine and all:

I confirm that on a braille display (with my configuration: Win98, Jaws
4.51, Handy-Tech Braile-Window 80 cells):

-- In print documents, either with formatted view or with coded view, all is
nearly correct with print font; but in formatted view I cannot precisely
control the number of blank spaces between words or at the beginning of a
paragraph. I attempted to modify the font and the size: the difference is
very clear with several sizes 18 or 24, for example). But I notice only one
blank space instead of 2 for each starting of paragraph.
I created a print document with [tab5], [tab10], [tab15] and so forth... and
wrote one digit at each tab: the best result was with Letter Gothic, size
18; but it was never quite exact; moreover this choice is a catastrophy in a
"normal" text because of extra spaces added between words: size 12 is the
less worse.

-- With DBT 10.4, I could see 8 fonts in Global / Fonts; with 10.5 I only
see "Courier new" and "Letter gothic". Windows must be responsible...

-- In Braille documents, both with formatted view or coded view, the print
font is the best solution.

* With formatted view and Braille/Simbraille font, my braille lines contain
more or less 50 characters -- whereas my embosser setup is set to 30; which
means that many extra spaces are added to reach these 50 signs...

* With coded view and Braille/Simbraille font, size 18 (the default one), I
can't read the end of my lines which are limitted up to 47-48 cells.

A chinise puzzle!

So: Ctrl+F5 in braille documents and DBT becomes our friend again...

All the best.

Christian, from Paris.
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> À : <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé
: mardi 25 mai 2004 17:20 Objet : [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display


Christine:

Christian's proposed solution should work like a charm.

But I remain puzzled.  DBT's coded view has changed quite radically from DBT
10.4 to DBT 10.5.

But the formatted view really hasn't changed.  The code internally is
cleaner, but the calls made to Windows really should be the same.  (Perhaps
I'm simply mistaken in this assertion; it is hard to argue against manifest
reality.)  I do suspect that the default font size may have changed from DBT
10.4 to DBT 10.5.

So perhaps you can let me know whether the difficulty is with coded view
only, or is it also with formatted view?

In either case, Christian has been working with a braille display and DBT
10.5 for some time now.  He's helped us to avoid much larger problems; to
his credit, what remains appears at least to have a workaround.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christian Coudert
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:51 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT on my Braille display

Hello Christine:

Yes, this phenomenon is known and is due to the new graphic interface of DBT
10.5.

The best solution for me is to select "Print font" in braille documents
(Ctrl+F5. To set this mode as the d'efault one, go to Global / Default view
and then tick the appropriate box.

If you find the same problem in print documents, go to Global / Fonts and
choose another font (on my PC, "Letter Gothic" is the better one).

Good luck!

Christian
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Christine Simpson" <simpsonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> À :
<duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Envoyé : mardi 25 mai 2004 03:50 Objet : [duxhelp]
DBT on my Braille display


Good morning,

Since downloading DBT10.5 I have noticed some strange behaviour with my
Braille display.

I am using a BrailleStar with JFW5.

I notice that often when I open a file and more so when I translate it to a
DXB file, the spaces between the words are not correctly shown.  A space
character often takes up several braille cells.  It is as if the character
is stretched and obviously this makes reading the file very difficult.  As
far as I know, text on screen is ok and certainly when I move my cursor JFW
does not give any indication of anything being wrong.

Is anyone able to shed some light on this for me please?

Everything was correct in 10.4 and infact, still is.  If I go back and load
10.4 nothing is wrong but if I then open 10.5 and open the same file, the
error is likely to occur.

Help and suggestions will be appreciated

Christine




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