[duxhelp] Re: DBT Beta:templates missing

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:15:18 -0000

I hate to say this, but the "few" is the entire United
Kingdom braille market. 

George.

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[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
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Sent: 22 March 2006 18:05
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Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT Beta:templates missing

Hi Joe,

It's always that "do the needs of the many outweigh the
needs of the few?" question. :) If it's easier for you to
leave out the option and it would only cause confusion for
people, then by all means take it out; the few people who
need it would only be minimally inconvenienced  by adding
the $caplv code. IMHO of course.

Lissa

Joe Sullivan wrote:
>   Hi David & other beta testers,
> 
> The expected four options are actually there in the sense
that you can 
> obtain any combination of old and new rules, and with and
without caps.
> (There's even a useless fifth option, which I will come
to.) However, 
> as far as templates are concerned, since those come into
play only 
> when starting a new file (as contrasted with doing more
work with an 
> existing .dxp file), and we assume that users will almost
certainly 
> want to use the new rules in that circumstance, we have
only provided 
> two templates to cover the caps/no caps option with the
new rules. If 
> you want to start a new file and for some reason want to
use the old 
> rules, just pick the appropriate template as to the
caps/no caps 
> option and then go to the Document / Translation table
menu and choose 
> the "English/British
> (pre-2005 rules) with Capitals" table. You should make
that choice 
> even if you used the "no capitals in literary" template --
because the 
> capitalization level setting in the template
(specifically, the 
> [caplv1] or [caplv3] command in the "initial" style) is
what really 
> counts for purposes of suppressing the capitals in the
literary portion of the text.
> 
> What may cause understandable confusion is the presence of
the 
> "English/British (pre-2005 rules) without any capitals"
item on the 
> Document / Translation tables menu. With that selection,
you get no 
> capitals in any portion of the text, not even in
mathematics.  We have 
> come to understand, however, that capitals are normally
wanted in math 
> even when they are being suppressed in the literary text
-- and so an 
> option to suppress all capitals everywhere is essentially
useless and 
> should normally not be selected without a very special
reason. On the 
> other hand, some .dxp files created using DBT 10.4 or
older, and which 
> in fact contained only literary text, do suppress capitals
by using 
> this table option rather than via the [caplv1] command
that was 
> introduced in DBT 10.5. If we were to remove the option
from the 
> Translation Tables menu, and such files were re-translated
using the 
> new DBT, then by default they would suddenly show
capitals, which 
> would cause another kind of confusion.
> 
> Despite this latter potential problem, which I suspect
would be rare, 
> I have been tempted and am still tempted to remove the
"without any 
> capitals" table option from the Translation Table menu and
the words 
> "with Capitals" from the other "pre-2005" setting. That
way, I think 
> it would be clearer that the table selection is no longer
the way to 
> control capitals -- the [caplv...] command is the
appropriate tool for 
> that, usually set in the "initial" style of the template
that you use.
> I'll be glad to hear any and all opinions about this.
> 
> Regards,
> Joe Sullivan
> 
>>> Subject: RE: DBT Beta:templates missing
>>> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:34:53 -0000
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>>> From: "David Spybey" <dspybey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> In 10.5 there are 4 options to open a 'British/English'
file. In 
>>> 10.6 there seems to be only 2. Once in a document there
appear to be 
>>> only 3 options for translating and not the expected 4.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Spybey

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