Hi George,
L
Hi Lissa,
I think we have to bear in mind the HUGE percentage of DBT users who are not what we'd call "Power Users", and try and make allowances here.
Many just have DBT, and get .brf files send to them which have been produced from all sorts.
But you and I, and Power Users, know how to change this at a stroke or two.
George.
-----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson Sent: 31 March 2006 23:49 To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6
Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit.
But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we only need them for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb, emboss the brf. So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just open it in Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's kind of (no, actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document into Microsoft Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always going to be a discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way without reading every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved around. And when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not possible.
So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :)
Lissa
Warren Figueiredo wrote:
Lissa When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read
formatted braille
without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or
it is that I
haven't discovered its quirks? Warren
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From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:03 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with Duxbury
10.6
Throwing in my opinion here ...
I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because,
even if I were not
an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT,
because DBT does not
import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us.
I can see how
someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a
day, but we never
make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We
always open dxb files,
and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with
Duxbury to include
Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this
problem. Thanks.
Lissa
Peter Sullivan wrote:
Joanie,
It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're
willing to
accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can
give.
In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding.
That
translates (potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only
about 1/3 of
my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who has
the MSI
programming experience to do this task without a lot of
exploring. It
is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be
that I call
four hours of work "substantial".
The file association upgrade may also have to be scheduled
along with
a potentially related task, which I have committed to do:
to adapt the
Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb
files) to run in
other languages.
The real kicker is that it would have to be done early
enough in the
release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the
installer
into other languages a chance to localize the new UI.
All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it.
You can set
the association yourself. I figure you probably know that
-- and know
how. So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of
people who
don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and
find it tough
to explore new computer-related territories.
- Peter
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From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joanmarie Diggs
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with
Duxbury 10.6
What was nifty about the association is that it made life
easier for a
couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use
Duxbury: TVIs and
consumers. While there are TVIs and consumers out there
with
excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not
form the
majority. Before the file association, many would get
confused each
time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII
braille. Some
would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at the
top. Sure,
you could train them to bring up a context menu on the
link or make
the file association themselves (which not all of them
understood).
Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that
following a Web
Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which
you could save.
So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial?
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From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
Sullivan
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with
Duxbury 10.6
Joanie,
This is true, and deliberate. I simply forgot to mention
it in the
beta notes.
We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only
informally, in
beta. We prefer to leave it to have the extension.
Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would
prompt the user
when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could
choose whether
to have DBT take over .brf file association. While still
possible,
this is substantially more difficult with an MSI
installer.
- Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joanmarie Diggs
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated
with Duxbury
10.6
I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default
application
for brf files.
--joanie
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