[duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6

  • From: Melissa Hirshson <lissa@xxxxxxx>
  • To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:08:31 -0500

Hi George,

Absolutely. I guess what I'm asking here is, if people open brfs in DBT, then isn't it true that there are now errors in the file that are being embossed?

L

George Bell wrote:
Hi Lissa,

I think we have to bear in mind the HUGE percentage of DBT
users who are not what we'd call "Power Users", and try and
make allowances here.

Many just have DBT, and get .brf files send to them which
have been produced from all sorts.

But you and I, and Power Users, know how to change this at a
stroke or two.

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
Hirshson
Sent: 31 March 2006 23:49
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with Duxbury 10.6

Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit.

But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we only
need them
for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb,
emboss the brf.
So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just
open it in
Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's
kind of (no,
actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document
into Microsoft
Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always going
to be a
discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way without
reading
every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved
around. And
when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not possible.

So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :)

Lissa

Warren Figueiredo wrote:

Lissa
When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read

formatted braille

without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or

it is that I

haven't discovered its quirks? Warren
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[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:03 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently

associated with Duxbury

10.6

Throwing in my opinion here ...

I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because,

even if I were not

an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT,

because DBT does not

import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us.

I can see how

someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a

day, but we never

make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We

always open dxb files,

and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with

Duxbury to include

Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this

problem. Thanks.

Lissa

Peter Sullivan wrote:


Joanie,

It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're

willing to


accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can

give.

In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding.

That


translates
(potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only

about 1/3 of


my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who has

the MSI


programming experience to do this task without a lot of

exploring. It


is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be

that I call


four hours of work "substantial".

The file association upgrade may also have to be scheduled

along with


a potentially related task, which I have committed to do:

to adapt the


Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb

files) to run in


other languages.

The real kicker is that it would have to be done early

enough in the


release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the

installer


into other languages a chance to localize the new UI.

All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it.

You can set


the association yourself. I figure you probably know that

-- and know


how. So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of

people who


don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and

find it tough


to explore new computer-related territories.

- Peter

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From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Joanmarie Diggs

Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently

associated with


Duxbury
10.6

What was nifty about the association is that it made life

easier for a


couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use

Duxbury: TVIs and


consumers. While there are TVIs and consumers out there

with


excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not

form the


majority. Before the file association, many would get

confused each


time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII

braille. Some


would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at the

top. Sure,


you could train them to bring up a context menu on the

link or make


the file association themselves (which not all of them

understood).


Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that

following a Web


Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which

you could save.

So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial?

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From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter

Sullivan

Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently

associated with


Duxbury
10.6

Joanie,

This is true, and deliberate. I simply forgot to mention

it in the


beta notes.

We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only

informally, in


beta.  We prefer to leave it to have the extension.

Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would

prompt the user


when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could

choose whether


to have DBT take over .brf file association. While still

possible,


this is substantially more difficult with an MSI

installer.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Joanmarie Diggs

Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated

with Duxbury


10.6

I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default

application


for brf files.

--joanie


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