[duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:59:44 +0100

Hi Lissa,

I think we have to bear in mind the HUGE percentage of DBT
users who are not what we'd call "Power Users", and try and
make allowances here.

Many just have DBT, and get .brf files send to them which
have been produced from all sorts.

But you and I, and Power Users, know how to change this at a
stroke or two.

George. 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
Hirshson
Sent: 31 March 2006 23:49
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with Duxbury 10.6

Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit.

But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we only
need them
for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb,
emboss the brf.
So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just
open it in
Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's
kind of (no,
actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document
into Microsoft
Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always going
to be a
discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way without
reading
every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved
around. And
when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not possible.

So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :)

Lissa

Warren Figueiredo wrote:
> Lissa
> When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read
formatted braille
> without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or
it is that I
> haven't discovered its quirks? 
> Warren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:03 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with Duxbury
> 10.6
> 
> Throwing in my opinion here ...
> 
> I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because,
even if I were not
> an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT,
because DBT does not
> import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us.
I can see how
> someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a
day, but we never
> make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We
always open dxb files,
> and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with
Duxbury to include
> Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this
problem. Thanks.
> 
> Lissa
> 
> Peter Sullivan wrote:
> 
>>Joanie,
>>
>>It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're
willing to 
>>accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can
give.
>>
>>In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding.
That 
>>translates
>>(potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only
about 1/3 of 
>>my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who has
the MSI 
>>programming experience to do this task without a lot of
exploring.  It 
>>is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be
that I call 
>>four hours of work "substantial".
>>
>>The file association upgrade may also have to be scheduled
along with 
>>a potentially related task, which I have committed to do:
to adapt the 
>>Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb
files) to run in 
>>other languages.
>>
>>The real kicker is that it would have to be done early
enough in the 
>>release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the
installer 
>>into other languages a chance to localize the new UI.
>>
>>All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it.
You can set 
>>the association yourself.  I figure you probably know that
-- and know 
>>how.  So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of
people who 
>>don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and
find it tough 
>>to explore new computer-related territories.
>>
>>- Peter
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joanmarie Diggs
>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM
>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with 
>>Duxbury
>>10.6
>>
>>What was nifty about the association is that it made life
easier for a 
>>couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use
Duxbury: TVIs and 
>>consumers.  While there are TVIs and consumers out there
with 
>>excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not
form the 
>>majority.  Before the file association, many would get
confused each 
>>time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII
braille.  Some 
>>would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at the
top.  Sure, 
>>you could train them to bring up a context menu on the
link or make 
>>the file association themselves (which not all of them
understood).  
>>Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that
following a Web 
>>Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which
you could save.
>>
>>So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
Sullivan
>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM
>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with 
>>Duxbury
>>10.6
>>
>>Joanie,
>>
>>This is true, and deliberate.  I simply forgot to mention
it in the 
>>beta notes.
>>
>>We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only
informally, in 
>>beta.  We prefer to leave it to have the extension.
>>
>>Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would
prompt the user 
>>when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could
choose whether 
>>to have DBT take over .brf file association.  While still
possible, 
>>this is substantially more difficult with an MSI
installer.
>>
>>- Peter
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joanmarie Diggs
>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM
>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated
with Duxbury 
>>10.6
>>
>>I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default
application 
>>for brf files.
>> 
>>--joanie
>>
>>
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