[duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6

  • From: Melissa Hirshson <lissa@xxxxxxx>
  • To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:49:27 -0500

Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit.

But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we only need them
for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb, emboss the brf.
So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just open it in
Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's kind of (no,
actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document into Microsoft
Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always going to be a
discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way without reading
every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved around. And
when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not possible.

So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :)

Lissa

Warren Figueiredo wrote:
Lissa
When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read formatted braille
without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or it is that I
haven't discovered its quirks? Warren
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Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury
10.6


Throwing in my opinion here ...

I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because, even if I were not
an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT, because DBT does not
import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us. I can see how
someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a day, but we never
make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We always open dxb files,
and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with Duxbury to include
Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this problem. Thanks.

Lissa

Peter Sullivan wrote:

Joanie,

It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're willing to accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can give.

In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding. That translates
(potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only about 1/3 of my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who has the MSI programming experience to do this task without a lot of exploring. It is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be that I call four hours of work "substantial".


The file association upgrade may also have to be scheduled along with a potentially related task, which I have committed to do: to adapt the Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb files) to run in other languages.

The real kicker is that it would have to be done early enough in the release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the installer into other languages a chance to localize the new UI.

All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it. You can set the association yourself. I figure you probably know that -- and know how. So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of people who don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and find it tough to explore new computer-related territories.

- Peter

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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM
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Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury
10.6


What was nifty about the association is that it made life easier for a couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use Duxbury: TVIs and consumers. While there are TVIs and consumers out there with excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not form the majority. Before the file association, many would get confused each time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII braille. Some would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at the top. Sure, you could train them to bring up a context menu on the link or make the file association themselves (which not all of them understood). Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that following a Web Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which you could save.

So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial?

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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM
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Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury
10.6


Joanie,

This is true, and deliberate. I simply forgot to mention it in the beta notes.

We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only informally, in beta. We prefer to leave it to have the extension.

Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would prompt the user when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could choose whether to have DBT take over .brf file association. While still possible, this is substantially more difficult with an MSI installer.

- Peter

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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM
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Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6


I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default application for brf files.

--joanie


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