[duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:26:52 -0500

George,

Lissa is right.  If "Read formatted braille without interpretation" isn't
checked, then we attempt a "smart" BRF import.  Note that smart is in scare
quotes.  The results will reformat nicely when edited, but most often aren't
faithful to the original input.

If you do check that box, it's a global setting, so it will affect future
imports until you uncheck it.  Things are better then.  But braille can
still be lost to page clipping if you're not careful.

Is that explanation enough?

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:15 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury
10.6

Hi L,

If there are, then someone in Westford has some explaining to do. 

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson
Sent: 01 April 2006 00:09
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury
10.6

Hi George,

Absolutely. I guess what I'm asking here is, if people open brfs in DBT,
then isn't it true that there are now errors in the file that are being
embossed?

L

George Bell wrote:
> Hi Lissa,
> 
> I think we have to bear in mind the HUGE percentage of DBT
> users who are not what we'd call "Power Users", and try
and
> make allowances here.
> 
> Many just have DBT, and get .brf files send to them which
> have been produced from all sorts.
> 
> But you and I, and Power Users, know how to change this at
a
> stroke or two.
> 
> George. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Hirshson
> Sent: 31 March 2006 23:49
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> associated with Duxbury 10.6
> 
> Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit.
> 
> But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we
only
> need them
> for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb,
> emboss the brf.
> So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just
> open it in
> Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's
> kind of (no,
> actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document
> into Microsoft
> Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always
going
> to be a
> discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way
without
> reading
> every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved
> around. And
> when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not
possible.
> 
> So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :)
> 
> Lissa
> 
> Warren Figueiredo wrote:
> 
>>Lissa
>>When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read
> 
> formatted braille
> 
>>without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or
> 
> it is that I
> 
>>haven't discovered its quirks? 
>>Warren
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> 
>>Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson
>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:03 PM
>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> 
> associated with Duxbury
> 
>>10.6
>>
>>Throwing in my opinion here ...
>>
>>I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because,
> 
> even if I were not
> 
>>an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT,
> 
> because DBT does not
> 
>>import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us.
> 
> I can see how
> 
>>someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a
> 
> day, but we never
> 
>>make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We
> 
> always open dxb files,
> 
>>and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with
> 
> Duxbury to include
> 
>>Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this
> 
> problem. Thanks.
> 
>>Lissa
>>
>>Peter Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joanie,
>>>
>>>It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're
> 
> willing to 
> 
>>>accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can
> 
> give.
> 
>>>In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding.
> 
> That 
> 
>>>translates
>>>(potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only
> 
> about 1/3 of 
> 
>>>my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who
has
> 
> the MSI 
> 
>>>programming experience to do this task without a lot of
> 
> exploring.  It 
> 
>>>is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be
> 
> that I call 
> 
>>>four hours of work "substantial".
>>>
>>>The file association upgrade may also have to be
scheduled
> 
> along with 
> 
>>>a potentially related task, which I have committed to do:
> 
> to adapt the 
> 
>>>Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb
> 
> files) to run in 
> 
>>>other languages.
>>>
>>>The real kicker is that it would have to be done early
> 
> enough in the 
> 
>>>release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the
> 
> installer 
> 
>>>into other languages a chance to localize the new UI.
>>>
>>>All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it.
> 
> You can set 
> 
>>>the association yourself.  I figure you probably know
that
> 
> -- and know 
> 
>>>how.  So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of
> 
> people who 
> 
>>>don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and
> 
> find it tough 
> 
>>>to explore new computer-related territories.
>>>
>>>- Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> 
> Joanmarie Diggs
> 
>>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> 
> associated with 
> 
>>>Duxbury
>>>10.6
>>>
>>>What was nifty about the association is that it made life
> 
> easier for a 
> 
>>>couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use
> 
> Duxbury: TVIs and 
> 
>>>consumers.  While there are TVIs and consumers out there
> 
> with 
> 
>>>excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not
> 
> form the 
> 
>>>majority.  Before the file association, many would get
> 
> confused each 
> 
>>>time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII
> 
> braille.  Some 
> 
>>>would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at
the
> 
> top.  Sure, 
> 
>>>you could train them to bring up a context menu on the
> 
> link or make 
> 
>>>the file association themselves (which not all of them
> 
> understood).  
> 
>>>Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that
> 
> following a Web 
> 
>>>Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which
> 
> you could save.
> 
>>>So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
> 
> Sullivan
> 
>>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> 
> associated with 
> 
>>>Duxbury
>>>10.6
>>>
>>>Joanie,
>>>
>>>This is true, and deliberate.  I simply forgot to mention
> 
> it in the 
> 
>>>beta notes.
>>>
>>>We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only
> 
> informally, in 
> 
>>>beta.  We prefer to leave it to have the extension.
>>>
>>>Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would
> 
> prompt the user 
> 
>>>when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could
> 
> choose whether 
> 
>>>to have DBT take over .brf file association.  While still
> 
> possible, 
> 
>>>this is substantially more difficult with an MSI
> 
> installer.
> 
>>>- Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> 
> Joanmarie Diggs
> 
>>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated
> 
> with Duxbury 
> 
>>>10.6
>>>
>>>I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default
> 
> application 
> 
>>>for brf files.
>>>
>>>--joanie
>>>
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