[duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:15:27 +0100

Hi L,

If there are, then someone in Westford has some explaining
to do. 

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
Hirshson
Sent: 01 April 2006 00:09
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
associated with Duxbury 10.6

Hi George,

Absolutely. I guess what I'm asking here is, if people open
brfs in DBT, 
then isn't it true that there are now errors in the file
that are being 
embossed?

L

George Bell wrote:
> Hi Lissa,
> 
> I think we have to bear in mind the HUGE percentage of DBT
> users who are not what we'd call "Power Users", and try
and
> make allowances here.
> 
> Many just have DBT, and get .brf files send to them which
> have been produced from all sorts.
> 
> But you and I, and Power Users, know how to change this at
a
> stroke or two.
> 
> George. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Hirshson
> Sent: 31 March 2006 23:49
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> associated with Duxbury 10.6
> 
> Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit.
> 
> But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we
only
> need them
> for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb,
> emboss the brf.
> So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just
> open it in
> Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's
> kind of (no,
> actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document
> into Microsoft
> Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always
going
> to be a
> discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way
without
> reading
> every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved
> around. And
> when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not
possible.
> 
> So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :)
> 
> Lissa
> 
> Warren Figueiredo wrote:
> 
>>Lissa
>>When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read
> 
> formatted braille
> 
>>without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or
> 
> it is that I
> 
>>haven't discovered its quirks? 
>>Warren
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> 
>>Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson
>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:03 PM
>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> 
> associated with Duxbury
> 
>>10.6
>>
>>Throwing in my opinion here ...
>>
>>I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because,
> 
> even if I were not
> 
>>an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT,
> 
> because DBT does not
> 
>>import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us.
> 
> I can see how
> 
>>someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a
> 
> day, but we never
> 
>>make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We
> 
> always open dxb files,
> 
>>and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with
> 
> Duxbury to include
> 
>>Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this
> 
> problem. Thanks.
> 
>>Lissa
>>
>>Peter Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joanie,
>>>
>>>It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're
> 
> willing to 
> 
>>>accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can
> 
> give.
> 
>>>In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding.
> 
> That 
> 
>>>translates
>>>(potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only
> 
> about 1/3 of 
> 
>>>my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who
has
> 
> the MSI 
> 
>>>programming experience to do this task without a lot of
> 
> exploring.  It 
> 
>>>is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be
> 
> that I call 
> 
>>>four hours of work "substantial".
>>>
>>>The file association upgrade may also have to be
scheduled
> 
> along with 
> 
>>>a potentially related task, which I have committed to do:
> 
> to adapt the 
> 
>>>Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb
> 
> files) to run in 
> 
>>>other languages.
>>>
>>>The real kicker is that it would have to be done early
> 
> enough in the 
> 
>>>release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the
> 
> installer 
> 
>>>into other languages a chance to localize the new UI.
>>>
>>>All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it.
> 
> You can set 
> 
>>>the association yourself.  I figure you probably know
that
> 
> -- and know 
> 
>>>how.  So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of
> 
> people who 
> 
>>>don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and
> 
> find it tough 
> 
>>>to explore new computer-related territories.
>>>
>>>- Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> 
> Joanmarie Diggs
> 
>>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> 
> associated with 
> 
>>>Duxbury
>>>10.6
>>>
>>>What was nifty about the association is that it made life
> 
> easier for a 
> 
>>>couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use
> 
> Duxbury: TVIs and 
> 
>>>consumers.  While there are TVIs and consumers out there
> 
> with 
> 
>>>excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not
> 
> form the 
> 
>>>majority.  Before the file association, many would get
> 
> confused each 
> 
>>>time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII
> 
> braille.  Some 
> 
>>>would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at
the
> 
> top.  Sure, 
> 
>>>you could train them to bring up a context menu on the
> 
> link or make 
> 
>>>the file association themselves (which not all of them
> 
> understood).  
> 
>>>Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that
> 
> following a Web 
> 
>>>Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which
> 
> you could save.
> 
>>>So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
> 
> Sullivan
> 
>>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently
> 
> associated with 
> 
>>>Duxbury
>>>10.6
>>>
>>>Joanie,
>>>
>>>This is true, and deliberate.  I simply forgot to mention
> 
> it in the 
> 
>>>beta notes.
>>>
>>>We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only
> 
> informally, in 
> 
>>>beta.  We prefer to leave it to have the extension.
>>>
>>>Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would
> 
> prompt the user 
> 
>>>when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could
> 
> choose whether 
> 
>>>to have DBT take over .brf file association.  While still
> 
> possible, 
> 
>>>this is substantially more difficult with an MSI
> 
> installer.
> 
>>>- Peter
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> 
> Joanmarie Diggs
> 
>>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM
>>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated
> 
> with Duxbury 
> 
>>>10.6
>>>
>>>I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default
> 
> application 
> 
>>>for brf files.
>>>
>>>--joanie
>>>
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