[duxhelp] Re: Beta 1 replace styles is brooken:

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:33:21 -0500

Joanie,

Not only does your suggestion make sense, but Mike has basically already
implemented revised code to work that way.

It most likely won't be in beta 2, but you can look for it in beta 3.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:30 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 1 replace styles is brooken:

Hi Peter.  I agree with you.  People might get confused/frustrated by the
changing availability of the checkbox.

I was thinking of something a bit different -- something I assumed would be
easier for all parties, although I could be wrong....  So let me detail what
I'm thinking:

1.  Leave the dialog box controls as they are.  Why change the appearance
from 10.5 if it is not necessary to do so?  Besides, the checkbox label is
clear:  People wanting to find/replace a style will check it.

2.  Leave the functionality **mostly** as it is.  In other words, there are
3 style-search related scenarios (I think), two of which are
non-problematic:

A. The user wants to search for a style, types the name of the style as
text, and then checks the checkbox.  In this case, Duxbury should do what it
currently does.

B. The user wants to search for a style, uses Control-Shift-comma to insert
the style, and does not check the checkbox.  In this case, Duxbury should
also do what it currently does.

C.  The user wants to search for a style, uses Control-Shift-comma to do so,
and DOES check the checkbox.  In this case, Duxbury currently fails to find
the style and looks for styles based on the old representation as reported
by Don. Instead, what I think should occur is that Duxbury examines the
search string and the checkbox and performs the search based on the correct
text rather than the actual text.  In other words, in the code that does the
find/replace, either strip off the <> from the search string and then you're
in scenario A or act as if the checkbox weren't checked and then you're in
scenario B.  I wouldn't change what actually appears in the dialog box
because visibly correcting the user's input might also be a cause for
confusion rather than edification. <grin>

Am I making sense or missing the point?

Take care.
Joanie

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:49 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 1 replace styles is brooken:

Joanie (and Don),

This will be simple enough to specify as follows:

- Replace stylename shall be unchecked and disabled if any character not
valid in a stylename occurs in the search or replace text.  This means among
other things that neither spaces nor codes (anything appearing in gray) may
appear in the search/replace fields if the checkbox is to be enabled or
checked.

Would that help avoid the confusion?  Part of me thinks that perhaps it
wouldn't -- you'd only be frustrated that you couldn't check the box.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:22 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 1 replace styles is brooken:

Don, come out of that hole. <grin> Your point is still valid -- whether it's
a "bug" or not.  And I'm not just saying that because I want my suggestion
implemented. <grin>  If it confused us, surely it has and will confuse the
average end-user.
 
Take care.
Joanie (who is well on her way to finishing off a pot of coffee)
 

________________________________

From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Don Breda
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:05 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Beta 1 replace styles is brooken:


Joanmarie you got it.

Ouch!!! I am gonna crawl in a hole.

I guess I needed another cup of coffee this morning.

I forgot and entered the stylename with the control-shift-coma instead of
just typing it in. Oh well.

Withdraw my bug report but for one thing, it shouldn't say es~para. in any
case since styles are not represented that way anymore.

Ok so I am trying to save face grin!!!


Don

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:24:29 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

>Yeah, that is one of those interface things that confused me when I 
>first saw it in 10.5. If you use shift-control-, to insert the style 
>name, you don't check that checkbox. However, if you don't use 
>shift-control-, and simply enter the style name, you do check that 
>checkbox. The fact that the checkbox is redundant makes sense to me, 
>but its handling of manually-entered style names doesn't. So here's my 
>proposal, for whatever it's worth:
>
>Keep the interface the way it is. BUT: If that checkbox is checked, 
>take a look to see if a style was manually entered with shift-control-, 
>and if so, don't do any further conversion to the style before 
>executing the find/replace.
>
>Take care.
>Joanie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
>Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:10 AM
>To: dbt beta list
>Subject: [duxhelp] Beta 1 replace styles is brooken:
>
>In working on a document I wanted to replace the <para.> style with
nothing.
>
>I turned on coded view and hit (f6).
>I hit shift-control-, and got the <> pair.
>
>I typed in para. and tabbed to replace stylenames and check the box. I 
>clicked ok.
>It said "There is no style named "es~para. are you sure you want me to 
>replace es~para. with" if I say yes anyway it of course doesn't find 
>the text in the document.
>
>Don
>
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