Okay, let's see: 1. How about a lesser power of Illusions and trickery under the sages of reality? Add deception as well maybe? Or, we could split it up and do darker illusions including things like fear and put that one under the Shadow Lords and then do a lighter illusions/deception/trickery and put that under the sages? 2. I like him in the role you suggested, or perhaps as the darker side of illusions and fear? 3. I love the idea of Bree as a fey queen or something!! I suppose it's up to Jim about stickpin, but he would be cool as some sort of demi-power that frolics through the wilderness. :) 4. I would put Kilian in the nature pantheon if we needed god's there. I think it would be interesting to have a very young person be thrust into the role of a god. 5. I thought about the demi-human thing, but I like the idea of all of the races worshipping the same deities, sort of. It unites the world in a sense, which is cool and we have enough "squabbling" between the existing deities, we shouldn't need other demi-human deities to squabble with for power. 6. I'd say it's up to you on Nadan. I don't mind if you keep using him. We might be hard pressed to find people for him to adventure with that would be around his power level. I have Krodo running around who most likely won't be a deity and of course Erebus. But even they aren't quite up to Nadan's power level. But, if it doesn't make sense for him to be a deity, then I'd say don't do it. -----Original Message----- From: Johnathan Detrick [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:22 PM To: Riders II Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Random thoughts Some brainstorming on my way out We had talked of a god of illusions, but it doesn't seem to fit under any of the categories we have now. We could put it under the magic god, but that seems dull. Is there anywhere we need illusions? Do we want to think of making Betelguize are god of dark and forbidden knowledge? Jim always played him as being obsessed with knowledge, but he wasn't evil. Would he go evil? Do we want Bree as a deity for woodland creatures? What about Stickpin? Do we want Bree as a divine being, kind of like a Queen of Faerie? Do we want to use Kilian and Ilana to fill out our nature pantheon? Do we want any deities to represent the demi-humans? God of gnomes, god of elves, that sort of thing? If Dove is going to be a deity, what do I do with Nadan? Do the other DMs in the group want him out of commission, due to his power?