[dungeoncrawl] Re: My Characters
- From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:12:47 US/Eastern
Ok, so we'd have this so far:
Carpathia: God of the dead, judgement,
mercy ... (?)
Mileena: Goddess of death, fate,
consequence (putting her in a position
to oppose Ambrosia on freedom)
Ancalagon: God of Necromancy, Disease,
Old Age, the Undead
>
> Ooooh. I like that thought. It
hadn't occurred to me, but it's
> very cool.
>
> jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking also that Carpathia
would
> > make a good death god. He fought
like
> > heck through the whole plot, has
ties
> > to undead (his church could oppose
> > them), and could be a good moderator
> > against Mileena and Ancalagon.
> >
> > >
> > > I like that! It's a very cool
> > idea. And she could still keep her
> > > necromantic interests.
> > >
> > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK, how about this? She could
be
> > the
> > > > goddess who fetches the souls
of the
> > > > departed and delivers them to
their
> > > > final destinations. Sort of
like a
> > > > valkyrie, but darker. She
could be
> > > > like Anubis, who was really
just the
> > > > god of embalming (Osiris was
god of
> > the
> > > > dead).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I see. Now I
> > > > understand. :) That is
> > interesting.
> > > > I'd say you
> > > > > get a pushy, free-spirited
death
> > > > freak. No wonder the poor girl
is
> > all
> > > > > screwed up. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I see how confusing I can
> > be. :) I
> > > > was
> > > > > > saying that since Ancalagon
has
> > > > > > necromancy, Ambrosia has
> > > > independence,
> > > > > > and Magnus has ambition,
what
> > > > happens
> > > > > > when you mix all three in a
> > stew?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have no problem with
> > Dennis
> > > > as
> > > > > > a sun god. It certainly
does
> > fit
> > > > > > > with him always being
awake.
> > > > > > > I have no problem
with her
> > > > > > getting ambition, although
I was
> > > > kind of
> > > > > > > hoping for it for
Magnus. I
> > see
> > > > it
> > > > > > as being one of the driving
> > forces
> > > > > > > of his life, although I
> > suppose
> > > > you
> > > > > > could say that of a lot of
> > > > > > > characters. But I
thought you
> > > > wished
> > > > > > to place Mileena with
Ancalagon.
> > > > > > > I still see her as
necromancy
> > and
> > > > > > death, with Amrikol ruling
over
> > them
> > > > > > > once they pass through her
> > hands.
> > > > > > > I like the idea of
> > Ambrosia
> > > > being
> > > > > > against slavers. But
Mileena
> > > > > > > can't be the god of
> > independence
> > > > and
> > > > > > oppose Ambrosia in that
regard,
> > can
> > > > > > > she?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see what you mean
about
> > > > Dennis and
> > > > > > > > Zolkiir - I keep seeing
> > Zolkiir
> > > > as a
> > > > > > > > god of magic or
something,
> > and
> > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > > > as oghma. Instead of
> > > > knowledge, how
> > > > > > > > about we make him a sun
god?
> > > > If we
> > > > > > > > stick with
the "constantly
> > > > awake"
> > > > > > idea,
> > > > > > > > and associate him more
with
> > > > > > > > civilization and
culture,
> > then
> > > > > > > > knowledge is easier to
> > separate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As for Mileena, let's
look
> > at
> > > > it a
> > > > > > > > different way. Since
> > Ancalagon
> > > > is
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > suited to necromancy
> > anyway, and
> > > > > > > > Mileena isn't
necessarily a
> > > > death
> > > > > > > > goddess, can we focus
on her
> > > > unique
> > > > > > > > relationship between
several
> > > > gods?
> > > > > > > > She's Magnus's daughter,
> > > > Ambrosia's
> > > > > > > > daughter, and
Ancalagon's
> > foster
> > > > > > > > daughter. That's
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
ambition/independence/necromancy. I
> > > > > > > > personally believe she'd
> > make a
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > cool goddess, but any
ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One suggestion is to
expand
> > on
> > > > an
> > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > for Ambrosia that i
didn't
> > > > > > mention. I
> > > > > > > > think it would be cool
if
> > she
> > > > > > > > originated a prestige
class
> > of
> > > > > > female
> > > > > > > > slaver hunters. Maybe
> > Mileena
> > > > could
> > > > > > > > oppose her somehow?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I agree that the
> > > > characters
> > > > > > > > involved get first
crack at
> > > > > > > > everything. Anyone
> > > > > > > > > we would bring in
gets the
> > > > crumbs.
> > > > > > > > Once again, it only
makes
> > > > sense. We
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > only be bringing other
> > > > characters
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > once we figure out the
> > people
> > > > that
> > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the mission, and we
see
> > if we
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > holes. I think we
should
> > nail
> > > > down
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > to be a god from the
main
> > > > group,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > nail down their
portfolios.
> > > > From
> > > > > > there,
> > > > > > > > > we can see if we need
> > others.
> > > > > > > > > And yes, we will
have
> > > > multiple
> > > > > > > > characters that want the
> > same
> > > > > > > > portfolio, but
> > > > > > > > > I think we can find
ones
> > that
> > > > fit
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > all of the ones that
went
> > > > along, at
> > > > > > > > least.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think Dennis
should
> > be a
> > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > power, just because he
had
> > the
> > > > > > tooth.
> > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > I love your
description of
> > > > him!
> > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > great! However, Zolkiir
> > would
> > > > like
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > knowledge portfolio.
Any
> > > > chance
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > that?
> > > > > > > > > Shawn Barrick and
I
> > had
> > > > > > spoken of
> > > > > > > > Ancalagon before, and
he's
> > not
> > > > sure
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > would want to be the
God
> > of
> > > > Death.
> > > > > > > > He believes Ancalagon is
> > more
> > > > > > > > interested in
> > > > > > > > > playing and
experimenting
> > with
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > than he is killing them.
> > > > Something
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > think about. I would
> > actually
> > > > > > love
> > > > > > > > to see the Death
Portfolio
> > go to
> > > > > > someone
> > > > > > > > > that doesn't want it.
> > What if
> > > > > > > > someone decides, for
> > example,
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > Magnus should
> > > > > > > > > be the God of Death,
> > because
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > killed so many people?
> > (Please,
> > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > don't do
> > > > > > > > > this.) That's going
to
> > > > affect the
> > > > > > > > deity he becomes.
Could be
> > > > > > interesting.
> > > > > > > > > Mileena will be
the
> > > > hardest to
> > > > > > > > do, since she doesn't
have a
> > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > history
> > > > > > > > > with the group. I
don't
> > know
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > temptation. It doesn't
> > quite
> > > > seem
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > fit.
> > > > > > > > > Hmmm. She is a
toughie.
> > > > > > > > > I like Ambrosia,
but I
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > rather not bring any
deities
> > > > from
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > systems
> > > > > > > > > over if we can help
it.
> > It's
> > > > > > natural
> > > > > > > > Ambrosia might want to
allow
> > > > > > Sharess,
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > I would prefer we
> > didn't. I
> > > > think
> > > > > > > > foreign gods trying to
> > muscle
> > > > their
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > should happen, but
should
> > be
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > focus of plots in the
> > future.
> > > > > > > > > Your description
of
> > > > Ilusdris
> > > > > > > > gives me more hope for
him
> > as a
> > > > > > > > demipower. You
> > > > > > > > > may be able to sway
me on
> > this
> > > > > > one.
> > > > > > > > > Zolkiir does NOT
want
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > god
> > > > > > > > of magic. I said a lot
> > about
> > > > him
> > > > > > in my
> > > > > > > > > e-mail yesterday.
Let me
> > say
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > Zolkiir is not as
> > interested in
> > > > > > magic.
> > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > a means to an end to
him
> > at
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > time. Remember, he has
> > > > traveled the
> > > > > > > > planes and
> > > > > > > > > flown in an X-Wing.
> > > > Knowledge in
> > > > > > > > general is more
important to
> > > > him,
> > > > > > as are
> > > > > > > > > inventions and
technology.
> > > > > > > > > I wouldn't set
> > Talosaard's
> > > > > > > > portfolio up as you did,
> > > > because it
> > > > > > > > doesn't fit a
> > > > > > > > > CG person. I would go
> > along
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > lines of protection.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jim and Karen wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here are my
thoughts on
> > at
> > > > > > least my
> > > > > > > > own characters, and
perhaps
> > some
> > > > > > NPCs.
> > > > > > > > > > We're quickly going
to
> > run
> > > > into
> > > > > > > > plenty of situations
where
> > more
> > > > > > than one
> > > > > > > > > > player has
legitimately
> > good
> > > > > > ideas
> > > > > > > > that don't work well
> > together,
> > > > > > though -
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > think voting will
> > ultimately
> > > > > > help a
> > > > > > > > great deal. Maybe we
should
> > > > take
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > "low hanging
fruit" -
> > stuff
> > > > like
> > > > > > > > Dennis, or maybe
characters
> > like
> > > > > > Faceus
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > Nelik - and agree on
> > what
> > > > their
> > > > > > > > domains will be early
on.
> > This
> > > > will
> > > > > > > > let us
> > > > > > > > > > haggle over the ones
> > that
> > > > > > remain.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For example,
Ancalagon
> > would
> > > > > > make a
> > > > > > > > great death god - but
there
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > reasons for another
> > > > character to
> > > > > > > > take the same role. My
only
> > > > > > > > recommendation
> > > > > > > > > > is that we favor
> > characters
> > > > who
> > > > > > > > were involved in one
way or
> > > > another
> > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > > > quest before going
to
> > > > characters
> > > > > > > > who weren't - this may
mean
> > that
> > > > > > > > uninvolved
> > > > > > > > > > characters are more
> > likely
> > > > to be
> > > > > > > > demipowers than others.
> > Give
> > > > this a
> > > > > > > > quick
> > > > > > > > > > read - am I on
track?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > P.S.: I want to
> > apologize
> > > > if my
> > > > > > > > emails came across as
harsh
> > > > or "poo-
> > > > > > > > pooing"
> > > > > > > > > > other people's
ideas.
> > I was
> > > > > > > > working like crazy, and
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > participate
> > > > > > > > > > in this neat
> > conversation -
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > reread my emails, and
they
> > did
> > > > seem
> > > > > > > > more blunt
> > > > > > > > > > than I realized.
Sorry
> > > > about
> > > > > > that!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dennis: NG,
> > intermediate
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > (maybe greater, but not
> > > > > > necessarily):
> > > > > > > > god of
> > > > > > > > > > knowledge, history,
> > > > literature,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > arts, and culture.
Patron
> > of
> > > > > > bards. I
> > > > > > > > > > see him having more
> > power
> > > > than
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > ever admits or
displays -
> > for
> > > > one
> > > > > > > > thing, I
> > > > > > > > > > think it would be
neat
> > if
> > > > he can
> > > > > > > > never sleep (for if he
> > does, the
> > > > > > Tooth
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > Dendar will be
> > unprotected,
> > > > > > leaving
> > > > > > > > it vulnerable to
evil). He
> > > > would
> > > > > > look
> > > > > > > > > > young and
charismatic,
> > but
> > > > he
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > forever have very tired
and
> > > > somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > troubled eyes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Escrima: N,
goddess of
> > > > winter,
> > > > > > > > loneliness, and secrets.
> > > > Patron of
> > > > > > > > loners
> > > > > > > > > > and bounty hunters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ancalagon: NE,
greater
> > > > power
> > > > > > (?).
> > > > > > > > god of death and the
> > underdark.
> > > > > > Ruler
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > the world below (in
a
> > benign
> > > > > > way -
> > > > > > > > more like Hel than Loki.
> > > > Amrikol
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > represent wanton,
> > malicious
> > > > > > evil).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mileena: CN, lesser
> > power.
> > > > > > > > Goddess of necromancy,
> > (what she
> > > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > along), temptation,
and
> > > > > > deception.
> > > > > > > > (sort of a mess. ideas
> > here?)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ambrosia: CG,
> > > > (intermediate?
> > > > > > > > lesser?) power.
Goddess of
> > > > freedom,
> > > > > > > > > > independence,
romance,
> > > > passion,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > creativity. Patroness
of
> > > > festhalls.
> > > > > > > > > > Hopes that Sharess
will
> > be
> > > > > > > > permitted to function
as a
> > > > > > demipower of
> > > > > > > > pleasure
> > > > > > > > > > and lust (under
her).
> > This
> > > > may
> > > > > > > > sound weird - you'd
think
> > she'd
> > > > want
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > for herself - but
she'd
> > > > campaign
> > > > > > > > for Shelensia to
function
> > as her
> > > > > > > > superior -
> > > > > > > > > > the goddess of
> > leadership,
> > > > > > > > fairness, love, and
> > beauty. On
> > > > one
> > > > > > > > condition,
> > > > > > > > > > though - she'd have
to
> > > > expand
> > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > interest (and persona)
> > beyond
> > > > the
> > > > > > drow
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > all races. Love
has no
> > > > color.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Amrikol: God of
> > > > destruction,
> > > > > > > > tyranny, and,
conquest. You
> > > > know,
> > > > > > bad
> > > > > > > > stuff
> > > > > > > > > > that hurts people.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Talon: God of
murder,
> > > > > > assassins,
> > > > > > > > poison (of course - what
> > did you
> > > > > > think?)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Iludriss:
Demipower of
> > > > madness,
> > > > > > > > despair, and the fog of
war
> > > > (maybe,
> > > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > > > > not - he might just
be a
> > > > divine
> > > > > > > > agent). I figure if
the orc
> > > > gods
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > exist,
> > > > > > > > > > so can this wacko.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Celane: N. Lesser
(?)
> > > > Power of
> > > > > > > > Divination Magic,
Portals,
> > > > Guards,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Wards
> > > > > > > > > > (although Zolkiir
should
> > > > have
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > dibs on arcane magic
type
> > stuff.
> > > > > > By
> > > > > > > > > > the way, now that I
> > think
> > > > about
> > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > what about Zolkiir as a
god
> > of
> > > > > > magic?).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nibrodius: CN.
God of
> > > > natural
> > > > > > > > disasters - fires,
floods,
> > etc.
> > > > > > God of
> > > > > > > > > > misfortune.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Marcus Drake: NE.
God
> > of
> > > > > > > > cowardice, betrayal,
blind
> > > > loyalty.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Forester: Not a
> > god; an
> > > > > > > > immortal servant and
> > > > spokesperson
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > Amrikol.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Talosaard: CG.
Lesser
> > > > power
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > duty, loyalty,
sacrifice,
> > and
> > > > > > humility.
> > > > > > > > > > Patron of
bodyguards.
> > ***
> > > > Major
> > > > > > > > concern: does CG really
fit
> > this
> > > > > > > > portfolio?
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