[dungeoncrawl] Re: Gods of Conflict

I like Epsilon, and he'd make a neat 
god, but I'm actually happy with his 
current situation as well.  Between his 
two deaths in the fight with the 
dragon, he actually changed alignment - 
from chaotic good to neutral good (as 
good as good can be?), and then died 
again.

If he were to come back, it would have 
something to do with the resolution of 
whatever happened to his first body 
when Amrikol took it (presumably to 
animate it) - maybe rejoining with 
that "evil" side of his personality 
would result in a neutral god?

> 
>     I'm sure we can if we think of 
one.  I guess the better question is, 
do we
> want to start a precedent?  Or is 
that a concern?  I like my dead 
characters
> firmly planted in the ground.  I tend 
to think Damon agrees with me.  Aside 
from
> Octarious, Matt has no dead 
characters.  Keith has already had one 
dead
> character come back.  Do we want to 
bring back Epsilon, and then close the 
door
> on that particular topic?  I do agree 
that he would be perfect in the role.
> Jim, what was his alignment when he 
died?  I can't remember if he went from 
LN
> to CG, or vice versa.  I would like 
to have a LN deity in the position, only
> because we have so many CG deities.  
I'd love to be able to branch that out a
> little.
> 
> Damon Kline wrote:
> 
> > I tend to agree with that.  I don't 
like opening the door for dead
> > characters.  However, I also really 
like the idea of Epsilon as a deity.
> > Could we come up with an idea as to 
why he might be brought in?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnathan Detrick 
[mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 
12:36 PM
> > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Gods of 
Conflict
> >
> >     My gut instinct is that dead 
characters, with the exception of Nelik,
> > are
> > better off dead.  It's a huge can 
of worms to bring them back.  There is
> > also
> > the question of how easy it would 
be to snag their souls from their 
current
> > activities.  Jim came up with a 
good excuse for Nelik, but it's harder 
for
> > the
> > others.  I'd prefer to stay away 
from dead characters, but if someone 
has a
> > compelling reason for it, I'm all 
ears.
> >
> > Damon Kline wrote:
> >
> > > Now that is an interesting 
thought!  But we need to decide now if 
we are
> > > going to bring in characters that 
are dead.  I think that the old Nelik
> > was
> > > mentioned as a potential deity, 
but I'm not sure if it was a definite or
> > > not.  Of course, this then opens 
the door to many characters who are 
dead.
> > > Epsilon, Nelik, Knobolothin, 
Cassius, Jansen, Onyx, etc.  The list 
could
> > go
> > > on for a while.  I suppose it's 
just up to us to decide if we want to do
> > it
> > > and if so, we need to make sure 
that we don't start bringing characters
> > back
> > > that make no sense.
> > >
> > > I think Knobolothin would make a 
cool nature deity, but then at the same
> > > time, he is a chosen of Sylvanus 
and is currently working for him.  Would
> > he
> > > give that up?  I'm not sure.  
Maybe.
> > >
> > > What about Cassius?  I don't see 
him wanting to do anything other than
> > what
> > > he is doing, but then again, I 
really didn't know him that well, so I
> > could
> > > be wrong.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 
8:13 AM
> > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Gods 
of Conflict
> > >
> > > Just a thought - what about 
Epsilon?
> > >
> > > > I definitely like the idea of 
having
> > > a god of strategy and tactics.  
Perhaps
> > > > as we are filling in the other 
areas,
> > > we might come across a character 
who
> > > > would fit better in that area.  
Right
> > > off the bat I think of D'alleva, 
but
> > > > you didn't want to make her a 
deity
> > > and you're right, she might just 
end up
> > > > being another Red Knight.  
However,
> > > we haven't done much with the Red 
Knight
> > > > so even if she is basically a 
Red
> > > Knight, who would know?  It's the 
first
> > > > time we've really done anything 
with
> > > it.  Anyway, just a thought...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 
10:29
> > > AM
> > > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: 
Gods of
> > > Conflict
> > > >
> > > >     Ok, here I go.  I'm going to
> > > respond to each of Jim's original
> > > > e-mails.  I just made the 
changes to
> > > the original e-mail.  I put them 
in
> > > > separate colors, to draw 
attention to
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Baish - God of War and
> > > Showmanship.  Patron of Gladiators
> > > > > (Intermediate Power): CN
> > > >
> > > >     I think we are all agreed on
> > > Baish heading this particular 
group.
> > > > And, he should be one of the 
more
> > > powerful gods, so Intermediate 
works
> > > > for him.  This is the largest 
group,
> > > but in a fantasy setting, warfare
> > > > is a huge part of everyday 
life.  It
> > > makes sense for it to encompass a
> > > > lot of deities.
> > > >
> > > >      The Faces of War:
> > > >         o Sir Baran (Demipower) 
LG:
> > > God of paladins and forgiveness
> > > >         o Talosaard (Demipower) 
NG:
> > > God of Protection, Defense and 
Duty
> > > >           (I made Talosaard NG
> > > instead of CG, because the 
pantheon is
> > > >           very chaotic heavy.
> > > Besides, as we said, chaotic 
doesn't
> > > >           quite fit his 
portfolio,
> > > although I don't think you have 
to be
> > > >           lawful to be the god 
of
> > > duty.)
> > > >         o Cinilac (Demipower):  
LN
> > > (E):  God of Invocation Magic and 
War
> > > >           Wizards (I don't know 
that
> > > this world will have war wizards,
> > > >           but I was trying to 
find
> > > someway to say that he was in 
charge
> > > >           of magic in combat.  
It
> > > seemed fitting.)
> > > >         o Drake (Demipower) 
NE:  God
> > > of Cowardice and Betrayal (This 
was
> > > >           the portfolio Jim had
> > > originally suggested for him, and 
I
> > > >           argue that it does 
have a
> > > strong place in the war 
pantheon.  I
> > > >           see military 
commanders
> > > trying to pacify him before a 
battle,
> > > >           just as a ship captain
> > > tries to pacify Umberlee before a
> > > >           voyage.  I also can 
see his
> > > clerics trying to spread fear and
> > > >           betrayal amongst 
forces in
> > > a fight.)
> > > >         o Iludriss (Demipower) 
CE:
> > > God of Fury, Madness, Battle Lust
> > > >           and Berserkers  (I 
think
> > > this fits in, to an extent, with
> > > >           Jim's description of 
him.
> > > I can see a far reaching plot 
where
> > > >           Ilusdriss, driven 
made by
> > > the constant pain he endures, 
tries
> > > >           to find a way to 
alleviate
> > > that pain.  If he succeeds, how
> > > >           would that change his
> > > portfolio?  How would that affect 
the
> > > >           other powers?  But at 
this
> > > time, I see him as a deity barely
> > > >           clinging to the last 
shreds
> > > of his sanity.)
> > > >         o Angelo (Demipower) 
LG:  God
> > > of Honor, Martial Prowess and
> > > >           Discipline  ( I 
really like
> > > adding him in here, and I think he
> > > >           is a nice addition to 
the
> > > group.)
> > > >
> > > >          I think that this 
group is
> > > pretty solid.  It covers most of 
the
> > > >      basis of warfare.  The only
> > > thing we don't have  is a god of
> > > >      strategy.  I was thinking 
of
> > > Quasit, but I hate to dump him in 
the
> > > >      war group, since he is so 
much
> > > more than that.  Does anyone think
> > > >      we should have a strategic 
god,
> > > and if so, any suggestions?
> > > >      Otherwise, I like this 
group a
> > > lot, and we have a nice range of
> > > >      alignments in here as well.
> > > >          I'll let everyone chew 
on
> > > this before I send out another.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actual portfolio TBD. 
Basically,
> > > they'd
> > > > > be Demi or Lesser powers who
> > > represent
> > > > > a different aspect of war.  
They
> > > > > wouldn't necessarily report 
to Baish
> > > > > (since I'm avoiding a FR 
mindset)
> > > but
> > > > > he'd be the one to govern 
them and
> > > keep
> > > > > them from destroying each 
other.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> 
> 
>

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