[dungeoncrawl] Re: Gods of Conflict
- From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:59:40 US/Eastern
I like Epsilon, and he'd make a neat
god, but I'm actually happy with his
current situation as well. Between his
two deaths in the fight with the
dragon, he actually changed alignment -
from chaotic good to neutral good (as
good as good can be?), and then died
again.
If he were to come back, it would have
something to do with the resolution of
whatever happened to his first body
when Amrikol took it (presumably to
animate it) - maybe rejoining with
that "evil" side of his personality
would result in a neutral god?
>
> I'm sure we can if we think of
one. I guess the better question is,
do we
> want to start a precedent? Or is
that a concern? I like my dead
characters
> firmly planted in the ground. I tend
to think Damon agrees with me. Aside
from
> Octarious, Matt has no dead
characters. Keith has already had one
dead
> character come back. Do we want to
bring back Epsilon, and then close the
door
> on that particular topic? I do agree
that he would be perfect in the role.
> Jim, what was his alignment when he
died? I can't remember if he went from
LN
> to CG, or vice versa. I would like
to have a LN deity in the position, only
> because we have so many CG deities.
I'd love to be able to branch that out a
> little.
>
> Damon Kline wrote:
>
> > I tend to agree with that. I don't
like opening the door for dead
> > characters. However, I also really
like the idea of Epsilon as a deity.
> > Could we come up with an idea as to
why he might be brought in?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnathan Detrick
[mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002
12:36 PM
> > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Gods of
Conflict
> >
> > My gut instinct is that dead
characters, with the exception of Nelik,
> > are
> > better off dead. It's a huge can
of worms to bring them back. There is
> > also
> > the question of how easy it would
be to snag their souls from their
current
> > activities. Jim came up with a
good excuse for Nelik, but it's harder
for
> > the
> > others. I'd prefer to stay away
from dead characters, but if someone
has a
> > compelling reason for it, I'm all
ears.
> >
> > Damon Kline wrote:
> >
> > > Now that is an interesting
thought! But we need to decide now if
we are
> > > going to bring in characters that
are dead. I think that the old Nelik
> > was
> > > mentioned as a potential deity,
but I'm not sure if it was a definite or
> > > not. Of course, this then opens
the door to many characters who are
dead.
> > > Epsilon, Nelik, Knobolothin,
Cassius, Jansen, Onyx, etc. The list
could
> > go
> > > on for a while. I suppose it's
just up to us to decide if we want to do
> > it
> > > and if so, we need to make sure
that we don't start bringing characters
> > back
> > > that make no sense.
> > >
> > > I think Knobolothin would make a
cool nature deity, but then at the same
> > > time, he is a chosen of Sylvanus
and is currently working for him. Would
> > he
> > > give that up? I'm not sure.
Maybe.
> > >
> > > What about Cassius? I don't see
him wanting to do anything other than
> > what
> > > he is doing, but then again, I
really didn't know him that well, so I
> > could
> > > be wrong.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jimkaren@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002
8:13 AM
> > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re: Gods
of Conflict
> > >
> > > Just a thought - what about
Epsilon?
> > >
> > > > I definitely like the idea of
having
> > > a god of strategy and tactics.
Perhaps
> > > > as we are filling in the other
areas,
> > > we might come across a character
who
> > > > would fit better in that area.
Right
> > > off the bat I think of D'alleva,
but
> > > > you didn't want to make her a
deity
> > > and you're right, she might just
end up
> > > > being another Red Knight.
However,
> > > we haven't done much with the Red
Knight
> > > > so even if she is basically a
Red
> > > Knight, who would know? It's the
first
> > > > time we've really done anything
with
> > > it. Anyway, just a thought...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Johnathan Detrick
> > > [mailto:jdetrick@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002
10:29
> > > AM
> > > > To: dungeoncrawl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [dungeoncrawl] Re:
Gods of
> > > Conflict
> > > >
> > > > Ok, here I go. I'm going to
> > > respond to each of Jim's original
> > > > e-mails. I just made the
changes to
> > > the original e-mail. I put them
in
> > > > separate colors, to draw
attention to
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Baish - God of War and
> > > Showmanship. Patron of Gladiators
> > > > > (Intermediate Power): CN
> > > >
> > > > I think we are all agreed on
> > > Baish heading this particular
group.
> > > > And, he should be one of the
more
> > > powerful gods, so Intermediate
works
> > > > for him. This is the largest
group,
> > > but in a fantasy setting, warfare
> > > > is a huge part of everyday
life. It
> > > makes sense for it to encompass a
> > > > lot of deities.
> > > >
> > > > The Faces of War:
> > > > o Sir Baran (Demipower)
LG:
> > > God of paladins and forgiveness
> > > > o Talosaard (Demipower)
NG:
> > > God of Protection, Defense and
Duty
> > > > (I made Talosaard NG
> > > instead of CG, because the
pantheon is
> > > > very chaotic heavy.
> > > Besides, as we said, chaotic
doesn't
> > > > quite fit his
portfolio,
> > > although I don't think you have
to be
> > > > lawful to be the god
of
> > > duty.)
> > > > o Cinilac (Demipower):
LN
> > > (E): God of Invocation Magic and
War
> > > > Wizards (I don't know
that
> > > this world will have war wizards,
> > > > but I was trying to
find
> > > someway to say that he was in
charge
> > > > of magic in combat.
It
> > > seemed fitting.)
> > > > o Drake (Demipower)
NE: God
> > > of Cowardice and Betrayal (This
was
> > > > the portfolio Jim had
> > > originally suggested for him, and
I
> > > > argue that it does
have a
> > > strong place in the war
pantheon. I
> > > > see military
commanders
> > > trying to pacify him before a
battle,
> > > > just as a ship captain
> > > tries to pacify Umberlee before a
> > > > voyage. I also can
see his
> > > clerics trying to spread fear and
> > > > betrayal amongst
forces in
> > > a fight.)
> > > > o Iludriss (Demipower)
CE:
> > > God of Fury, Madness, Battle Lust
> > > > and Berserkers (I
think
> > > this fits in, to an extent, with
> > > > Jim's description of
him.
> > > I can see a far reaching plot
where
> > > > Ilusdriss, driven
made by
> > > the constant pain he endures,
tries
> > > > to find a way to
alleviate
> > > that pain. If he succeeds, how
> > > > would that change his
> > > portfolio? How would that affect
the
> > > > other powers? But at
this
> > > time, I see him as a deity barely
> > > > clinging to the last
shreds
> > > of his sanity.)
> > > > o Angelo (Demipower)
LG: God
> > > of Honor, Martial Prowess and
> > > > Discipline ( I
really like
> > > adding him in here, and I think he
> > > > is a nice addition to
the
> > > group.)
> > > >
> > > > I think that this
group is
> > > pretty solid. It covers most of
the
> > > > basis of warfare. The only
> > > thing we don't have is a god of
> > > > strategy. I was thinking
of
> > > Quasit, but I hate to dump him in
the
> > > > war group, since he is so
much
> > > more than that. Does anyone think
> > > > we should have a strategic
god,
> > > and if so, any suggestions?
> > > > Otherwise, I like this
group a
> > > lot, and we have a nice range of
> > > > alignments in here as well.
> > > > I'll let everyone chew
on
> > > this before I send out another.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actual portfolio TBD.
Basically,
> > > they'd
> > > > > be Demi or Lesser powers who
> > > represent
> > > > > a different aspect of war.
They
> > > > > wouldn't necessarily report
to Baish
> > > > > (since I'm avoiding a FR
mindset)
> > > but
> > > > > he'd be the one to govern
them and
> > > keep
> > > > > them from destroying each
other.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
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