Thanks Kathleen, for the question and for looking so closely at the pictures. GREAT. That's what I love about that book, and thanks Diane for answering it. I fully agree with Diane, and that's why I prefer to drive with fixed cheek liverpool bits (and mostly use mullen mouth warpped thinly with latex). Hardy _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````