[drivingpairs] Re: Pairs and Carts

Kathy...Thanks for your info.  My problem is finding an easy entry 4 wheeler
that will be suitable.  Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "kathy robertson" <goodhors@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: [drivingpairs] Pairs and Carts


> Hi Pat,
>
> I pasted a couple of Hardy's posts from last year,
> down below.  Pair carts came up then and I thought
> this covered it well.  You might read thru the
> Archives for even more detail.  Post titles often are
> not changed when topics do.
>   We saw the same problems Hardy had, watching a
> friend use the Meadowbrook pole cart to a Pair.
> Everything started well, pole cart was the most
> wonderful idea ever!!  Then stuff happened.
> Turnovers, pole dropping out of yoke.  Cart was sold
> on, back to a 4-wheeler for her Pairs.
>
> We start our new Pairs, or new Pairs horse, in a
> 4-wheeler.  We try to get a lighter one, but something
> with brakes.  Usually use the Pair Marathon carriage,
> on the down slope out of the barn.  Horse knows how to
> PULL if asked.  Not afraid of weight, but not a jump
> starter, just leans a little harder if needed.  We
> always tie the evener down with beginner Pair horse.
> Horses both just pulling off anchored singletree.
> Horse gets no bad reaction from pulling to start.
> Pair will to learn to start evenly over time, just
> doesn't happen with new animals.  Tied down evener
> prevents slow starter horse from being pulled back by
> quicker starter.  Evener stays tied until BOTH horses
> know how to start together.
>
>   Driver's job to have horse responsive to voice
> commands on the long lines, before going to vehicle.
>
>   Experienced single driving horse usually has no
> problem moving up.  Just has to learn to be part of a
> Pair, working together, vehicle will pull on him a
> little differently.  Most horses like the company of
> another animal.
>
> Kathy Robertson
>
>
>    * From: Hzlax@xxxxxxx
>     * To: drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     * Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:55:22 EST
>
> Don lined out some theoretical  ideas how hitching
> could be done. I can
> confirm his ideas to be right on the money from my own
> experience, not with a
> chariot, but I did drive a pair to a two wheeler for
> many years - when we
> thought we couldn't afford a 4 wheeler yet. Friends in
> CA from those days
> will remember me with Grimes' Palominos :-)
> The cart was one of the common modern Amish made
> flexishaft meadowbrook type
> vehicles with the split seat arrangement, step in from
> behind, left seat
> folding up, except instead of shafts it had a pole. It
> was similarly (well)
> balanced as any such single vehicle, and as with a
> single where there should
> not be too much weight in the shafts, this also did
> not have too much weight
> on the pole.  We hitched the pair with full collar
> harness and a yoke, with
> very short yoke straps strapped closely into the
> bottoms of the collars and
> traces to roller bolts on a fixed splinter bar (thus
> all closely hitched
> without too much play), plus normal pairs breeching
> and normal pairs reins.
> One needed to be careful when stepping into the
> vehicle from behind that the
> pole would not come up too much, but that was also
> very similar to such a
> vehicle driven with a single. Once we were on the way,
> I think the weight of
> the pole carried through the wide collars on the necks
> of the horses was
> fairly minimal and exceptable.  It all worked well,
> EXCEPT: The darn thing
> would turn over very easily, because contrary to a
> single, which has support
> on both sides through the shafts, this thing did not
> and could just rotate
> around that one pole in the middle like nothing. So
> hazard driving, or fast
> turns, or driving sideways on a slope all were very
> risky, but going straight
> down the road it worked.  For the risks involved I
> would not recommend it to
> anybody nowadays.
> Hardy
>
>
>  My first question is, how many of you have driven
> > pairs in a 2 wheeled cart.  I want to hear good the
> > bad and the ugly.
>
>  I recently wrote about that. It's VERY instable and
> can turn over quickly as
> you don't have the shafts to balance the vehicle, and
> the pole just rotates
> between the two. So not recomended.
> Hardy (who has done that for many years)
>
>
>
>
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