[drivingpairs] Re: Cleveland Bays

Very interesting info Kathy!
I was wondering if you had a website we could look at.
Thanks and Happy Holidays to you all!

Wendy 
Musta Hevonen Farm
Rainier, WA
www.fellponies.com

> Anya,
> 
>   Warmblood horses are no longer influenced by
> Cleveland Bay horses.  CB's were part of the original
> mix, but no longer acceptable as outcrosses to ANY of
> the European Studbooks.  Clevelands are in the
> Heritage breed catagory, like Lippizans, Fresians,
> Andulusians. No other breeds are acceptable in their
> fixed type Studbooks, while the European Warmbloods
> are in a constant state of upgrading, to fit the
> current demands.
>   Neither is wrong or bad, just different goals. 
> Warmbloods figure they can go back to the Heritage
> breeds if they need a certain set of things to change
> in their horses.  Otherwise, Heritage is not the style
> horse that European Warmbloods want to breed now.  
>   I am being specific about European Warmbloods
> because the American warmblood societies are not as
> strict about crosses or type, with the stallion tests
> required before allowing breeding.  People selling or
> breeding have taken the warmblood word because it was
> desirable to buyers.  Small w in warmblood has come to
> mean mixed breed.  Some individuals are nice, others
> are just a collection of cross breeding.  Does not
> mean draft cross on hotblood.
> 
>   Cleveland Bay action can be floaty or not, depends
> on the individual and his family.  Never high knee
> action, unless in play.  We have Cleveland Bay
> crosses.  They can float when collected, driven or
> ridden.  On a good day, they look like dancers, yet
> they have flat knee action, level, which is the
> opposite of Hackney knee action, extravagant height.
>   Pure Clevelands were classed as draft, but were
> really more all purpose animals, ridden, hunters,
> driven, farm use.  Not supposed to be ploddy. 
> Crossing into TB added a lot of speed, so they made
> good heavy hunters, coaching-carriage horses, easily
> matched.  The CB breeding came thru, keeping horses
> type, size, movement very similar.  The heavier bone
> and hooves took the pounding stresses of driven
> mileage on improved road surfaces in the UK, making
> them long lasting animals.  The improved national
> train system and autos is what put the CB crosses out
> of business.  These CBs, both pure and partbred, were
> exported worldwide.   There were many undocumented
> animals used for breeding.  Locals just liked a good
> horse when they saw one. 
>   Our Cleveland crosses are referred to as
> Sporthorses, not Warmbloods.  They fit a body type,
> like Western horses, not specific breeding.
>   Our Clevelands drive single, pair, Tandem and
> 4-in-Hand.  They are real nice horses and best of all,
> easy to live with!  That is our number two criteria on
> horse selection.  Soundness is number one for us
> because we expect a lot from them.
> 
> Kathy Robertson

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