[dokuwiki] Re: Can one make a heading also a link?
- From: "Jerry Schwartz" <jschwartz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:15:39 -0500
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>Jerry Schwartz escribió:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dokuwiki-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dokuwiki-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>>> Behalf Of Chris G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:45 PM
>>> To: dokuwiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [dokuwiki] Re: Can one make a heading also a link?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 01:53:30PM -0300, Luis Machuca wrote:
>>>> Chris G escribió:
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:49:05AM +0100, Michael Klier wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:44:48AM +0000, Chris G wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there some easy way of making a section heading also a link? It
>>>>>>> would seem that this is a pretty normal requirement but I can't see
>>>>>>> any obvious way to do it?
>>>>>> No this is not possible due to how the parser works because headlines
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> "special" - also this has been asked and answered a gazillion of times
>>> here
>>>>>> on the mailinglist as well as the forum - and sursprise surprise - it's
>>> even
>>>>>> a faq entry:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dokuwiki.org/faq:headerlinks
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, sorry! Doesn't actually help much though as the tips it points
>>>>> to show lots of ways of changing the style of a heading but no way to
>>>>> get a link in a different style.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a workaround if you do it in HTML though:-
>>>>>
>>>>> <html><h3><a href="http://www.somewhere.com";>Heading
>>> Text</a></h3></html>
>>>>> Maybe this could go in the FAQ? I'm quite happy to add it if it's
>>>>> thought reasonable. (It needs htmlok to be ticked of course)
>>>>>
>>>> That's understandable -- no links or any other sort of content in headers
>>>> is
>>>> *wanted behaviour*, since titles are titles, and also a god thing
>>> accesibility
>>>> wise.
>>>>
>>> Well I wanted it! :-)
>>>
>>>> A link in a / as a header, IMHO, essentially says: "sorry, what goes
>>>> below
>>>> here should go into its own page instead, but can't get myself to move
>>>> it".
>>>> It strongly deviates attention from the current content, and what is
>>>> linked
>>> in
>>>> a header may not even be in sync with what the encompassing article says.
>>>>
>>> I agree with you that in many/most cases one doesn't want a link as a
>>> header but it can be sensible sometimes.
>>>
>> [JS] I agree. In my particular case, I want the links to appear in the TOC;
>> but they can't. This requires redundant entries:
>>
>> ===== Publishers =====
>> ==== Arrow ====
>> [[arrow]]
>> ==== Bow ====
>> [[bow]]
>> ==== Bullet ====
>> [[bullet]]
>>
>> And so forth. It would be a lot cleaner if I could put the links themselves
>in
>> the TOC, somehow.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry Schwartz
>> The Infoshop by Global Information Incorporated
>> 195 Farmington Ave.
>> Farmington, CT 06032
>>
>> 860.674.8796 / FAX: 860.674.8341
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>> www.the-infoshop.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In the case in point it's on a page which is a collection of
>>> information about businesses and such, the headers would be links to
>>> the business' own web sites and the text underneath is extra
>>> information that I have collected. It feels very logical to me in
>>> this case to have the header being a link. It's a very commonly used
>>> approach, I found an example very quickly:- http://www.htmlhelp.com/
>>>
>>>> The practical way to solve the issue is, of course, not a link in a
>>>> header,
>>>> but a link right below a header with some indication such as "See also"
>>>> or
>>>> "Main article".
>>> IMHO that's a bodge working around something you want to do but can't do.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>Wait... you say you want *links to external content* in the *document TOC*?
[JS] I hadn't thought of it in those terms. That's not what I intended.
>Now *that*'s bad design. The TOC is expected to have another kind of
>functionality. Click a link, take you to a specific section in the document
>itself.
>
[JS] Understood. The problem arises when the specific section itself is a list
of links that is becoming quite long. Suppose the TOC has entries for
"Products", "Publishers", "Contract Negotiation". If I click on "Products",
I'm brought to the "Products" section. So far, so good: the "Publishers"
section is a list of links.
What happens when we have 200 publishers? The list of links itself becomes so
long that it takes significant scrolling to get to, say, "Yankee Magazine".
Even if I move the list of publishers to its own page, I still have the same
problem.
What would be a good design for this case?
Regards,
Jerry Schwartz
The Infoshop by Global Information Incorporated
195 Farmington Ave.
Farmington, CT 06032
860.674.8796 / FAX: 860.674.8341
www.the-infoshop.com
>There's also the structure and accessibility problems that a header link
>causes. See not only "Navigation Mechanism" on the W3C Accessibility Glossary
>(http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#glossary), but also Wikipedia's stance on
>section headings.
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