[dokuwiki] Re: [Ad] DokuWiki Sync Plugin
- From: James Lin <guanfenglin@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: dokuwiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:48:37 +1300
Ummm I am not feeling too comfortable of seeing a plugin with cost(sort of)
on the main plugins page which all plugins on there should be able to
immediately download and use for free. I understand that open source
developers need cash to survive(yes I am one of them).
Would it be better to give the link to download and free to use and people
are kind enough to donate? cos right now it seems that a group of people(the
contributers) are buying out an closed source project to make it open
sourced.
just my 2 cents.
James
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Michael Klier <chi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 12:38:22AM +0100, Florian Feldhaus wrote:
> > I back this. I would love to see a good solution to pay plugin
> > developers for good plugins. Especcially the WYSIWYG editor. But there
> > are more plugins out there I would spend money on, if only the plugin
> > developer then would implement the features I wish for in a given
> timeframe.
>
> Well, have you contacted the developers in question ;)?
>
> As for my POV on what you've said: if someone wants feature foo in plugin
> bar
> and opens a feature request for it, it's going to be implemented whenever I
> see fit, after i get other more important things out of the way first,
> because
> we all know that time is money, and even if some people don't understand
> this,
> some of us do have real lifes ;P.
>
> If however, someone is willing to pay money for a feature or even a bug fix
> (yes, I've taken money for fixing bugs, but getting something in return for
> 2hours tracking down a partiluar problem "now" instead of "whenever I find
> some time" makes sense to me), it's automatically going up the importance
> list
> - charging money is doing business, doing business is keeping deadlines and
> making customers happy.
>
> As for Andis new plugin. I like the idea, there are other Open Source
> projects
> maintainers who do sth. similar. Take Ardour for example, Paul Davis is
> charging money to be able to work full time on Ardour and to feed his
> family!
> I think this is fully legitimate, even in Open Source software, the
> freesound
> project asked for money for a new server etc. etc.. Now Andi is trying sth.
> new, after putting over 5years of time end effort into creating the Wiki
> engine we all use + countless plugins (which are defining a code quality
> standard when it comes to DokuWiki plugins) and giving support on the
> forums,
> IRC and the mailing list. And to no surprise, there are those random
> unthankful
> people which start whining on the first attempt of trying to get some money
> for spitting out thousands of lines of code in the past years. And this is
> not
> about getting rich, 750€ is laughable compared to what you'd pay a
> developer
> normally who works on a hourly basis. I mean, look, I've wrote a vim plugin
> for DokuWiki, it has around 600 lines of code, and on a yearly salary basis
> of
> 55.000$ ohloh.org estimates its value at 5.123$! The plugin of Andi, if it
> works as advertised (of which I'm quite certain), can be of good use in
> companies who use DokuWiki for their internal documentation and which have
> different bureaus connected over VPN for example. I think it's probably
> worth
> more than those 750€. If I could come up with something as useful as this
> I'd
> probably look for myself if there would be a way of getting something in
> return. But for now I'm happily maintaining those ~26000 lines of
> php/js/css
> plugin code together with foosel without charging money for every feature
> request or bug fix ;).
>
> Regards,
> Michael
>
> PS.: I'll hereby happily repeat it again and again and again, please don't
> top
> post, especially not in threads where it already has been mentioned that
> this
> is not welcome on this list.
>
> --
> Michael Klier
>
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