you are right , but you can still load the audio from the cwb file loading it as raw file in sf. saludos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: song demos > Luis wrote: Hi Phil: > as far as I know the cwb file should be smaller because it does a single > wave file with only the fragments that are recorded instead of having > silence throughout the tracks. > > Phil replied: usually when you create a .cwb file, and if you haven't done > any editing on it at all then, it will create lots of small wave files for > each of the tracks, as you haven't compiled them all into one large edited > wave file. After doing all of the various edits on tracks and using the > "apply trimming" and "bounce to clips" commands, you will achieve the same > results as you have described above. > > Luis wrote; when you bounce the tracks from top to bottom you'll get > silent spaces. > > Phil replied; I hear what your saying however, if you have done the above > mentioned steps, you shouldn't have any silence in any of your wave files. > > Luis wrote: then when compressing you can bring it down to 60 percent > size. > > Phil replied: just tried a bit of an experiment here. I had a project and > it's folder. The total size was 159MB in size. I .rared it and it became > 111MB. So, just for fun, I bundled it and it it then, rared it, and it > became 97MB. So, your definitely right about the bundle being smaller > after raring it. However, I would still personally go with raring a per > project folder and all of it's associated audio as bundles can fail to > open some times. If that happens then, you could potentially loose all of > the data in that project where as, if you say loose the .cwp file or, some > of the audio attached to it then, it's still possible to build the project > again from scratch. > > Regards, Phil Muir > > P J Muir Productions, > Music And Audio Production > Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 > UK+44-1747-821-794 > Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 > E-mail: > info@xxxxxxxxxxxx > URL: > www.philmuir.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Elorza" <luiselorza@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:04 AM > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: song demos > > >> Hi Phil: >> as far as i know the cwb file should be smaller because it does a single >> wave file with only the fragments that are recorded instead of having >> silence throughout the tracks. >> when you bounce the tracks from top to bottom you'll get silent spaces. >> then when compressing you can bring it down to 60 percent size. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:07 PM >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: song demos >> >> >>> Luis wrote: the advantage of making a cwb file is that it will only grab >>> the audio that >>> is still being used by the project, without all edits and takes that are >>> not >>> used anymore, and still you can compress it to a rar file. >>> >>> Phil replied: well, if you deal with audio methodically e.g, do all >>> edits on all of your tracks then, select all of the various audio tracks >>> and use the "apply trimming" command then, select all of your various >>> audio tracks again and use the "bounce to clips" command, and finally, >>> use the "clean audio folder" option in the project folder that your >>> working in then, you won't have any audio around that you don't need any >>> more anyway. Note: I didn't suggest turning a .cwb file into a .rar >>> file, as that will always work out bigger than raring up your project >>> folder with the audio. Of course, if you don't want to work out which >>> audio you need to keep then, you could save out the file as a .cwb then, >>> unpack it and save the project. Then turn that folder and it's project >>> into a .rar file and you would end up with a smaller file. The >>> advantage of the approach that I have suggested is that you will only >>> end up with 1 wave file per track. Where as, if you have done many edits >>> on a track, and haven't used the "apply trimming" and "bounce to clips" >>> commands then, you could have many wave files associated with that audio >>> track. >>> >>> Regards, Phil Muir >>> >>> P J Muir Productions, >>> Music And Audio Production >>> Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 >>> UK+44-1747-821-794 >>> Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 >>> E-mail: >>> info@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>> URL: >>> www.philmuir.com/ >>> PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! >>> To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: >>> ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe >>> If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> and in the Subject line type >>> unsubscribe >>> For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately >>> following link: >>> ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or >>> send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> and in the Subject line type >>> faq >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 3076 (20080505) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! >> To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: >> ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe >> If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> and in the Subject line type >> unsubscribe >> For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately >> following link: >> ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or >> send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> and in the Subject line type >> faq >> > > PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! > To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe > If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > and in the Subject line type > unsubscribe > For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately > following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or > send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > and in the Subject line type > faq > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3080 (20080506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! 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