[ddots-l] Re: song demos

Luis wrote: Hi Phil:
as far as I know the cwb file should be smaller because it does a single
wave file with only the fragments that are recorded instead of having
silence throughout the tracks.
Phil replied: usually when you create a .cwb file, and if you haven't done any editing on it at all then, it will create lots of small wave files for each of the tracks, as you haven't compiled them all into one large edited wave file. After doing all of the various edits on tracks and using the "apply trimming" and "bounce to clips" commands, you will achieve the same results as you have described above.
Luis wrote; when you bounce the tracks from top to bottom you'll get silent spaces.
Phil replied; I hear what your saying however, if you have done the above mentioned steps, you shouldn't have any silence in any of your wave files.
Luis wrote: then when compressing you can bring it down to 60 percent size.
Phil replied: just tried a bit of an experiment here. I had a project and it's folder. The total size was 159MB in size. I .rared it and it became 111MB. So, just for fun, I bundled it and it it then, rared it, and it became 97MB. So, your definitely right about the bundle being smaller after raring it. However, I would still personally go with raring a per project folder and all of it's associated audio as bundles can fail to open some times. If that happens then, you could potentially loose all of the data in that project where as, if you say loose the .cwp file or, some of the audio attached to it then, it's still possible to build the project again from scratch. 

Regards, Phil Muir

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Elorza" <luiselorza@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: song demos



Hi Phil:
as far as i know the cwb file should be smaller because it does a single wave file with only the fragments that are recorded instead of having silence throughout the tracks. 
when you bounce the tracks from top to bottom  you'll get silent spaces.
then when compressing you  can bring it down to 60 percent  size.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: song demos
Luis wrote: the advantage of making a cwb file is that it will only grab the audio that is still being used by the project, without all edits and takes that are not 
used anymore, and still you can  compress it to a rar file.
Phil replied: well, if you deal with audio methodically e.g, do all edits on all of your tracks then, select all of the various audio tracks and use the "apply trimming" command then, select all of your various audio tracks again and use the "bounce to clips" command, and finally, use the "clean audio folder" option in the project folder that your working in then, you won't have any audio around that you don't need any more anyway. Note: I didn't suggest turning a .cwb file into a .rar file, as that will always work out bigger than raring up your project folder with the audio. Of course, if you don't want to work out which audio you need to keep then, you could save out the file as a .cwb then, unpack it and save the project. Then turn that folder and it's project into a .rar file and you would end up with a smaller file. The advantage of the approach that I have suggested is that you will only end up with 1 wave file per track. Where as, if you have done many edits on a track, and haven't used the "apply trimming" and "bounce to clips" commands then, you could have many wave files associated with that audio track. 

Regards, Phil Muir

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Music And Audio Production
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