[ddots-l] Re: live performance recording

  • From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:47:55 -0400

Thanks a bunch Steve, I'll check up on the mixer's specs, and if everything is 
well, than I should be able to work with it. Thanks again.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Wicketts 
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:26 AM
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording


  Hi Omar,

  What specifications does your live mixer have?

  If by chance your live mixer doesn't have bus channels, you can simply, use 
the auxiliary knobs on your mixer. 
  For example:

  A: think of auxiliary 1 as a microphone send level so, only have auxiliary 1 
turned up on your microphone channel,

  B: make sure that the master send for Auxiliary 1 is also turn up to around 
the 12 O'clock position to start with.

  C: take a cable from auxiliary 1 send and input it into track one on your 
recording system.
  This will give you a dry vocal recording on track 1 of your recording system.

  d: simply get the microphone recording level by adjusting the input on the 
recording system and the auxiliary 1 knob on your microphone channel 
  Note, this won't effect the front of house mix. 

  Now recording the Instruments.
  Before I explain the next part you need to find out whether your mixer has a 
stereo auxiliary send as that's the one you will use for all the Instruments.
  In this example I'm using auxiliary 2.

  A: first check that all channels that have an instrument connected to it has 
auxiliary 1 knob turned to off position, insuring no microphone leakage on to 
the instruments recording.

  B: Master send for auxiliary 2 needs to be around the 12 O'clock position.

  C: Take a left and right cable from auxiliary 2 send and input into tracks 
3-4 on your recording system.  

  D: Make sure you have an input level on you recording system. 
  finally, on all channels that have an instrument connected, simply adjust the 
level of each instrument by using the auxiliary 2 knob on each instrument 
channel as if it was a level control.

  Most mixers these days have 3 separate auxiliary sends or a least two 
auxiliary sends plus internal effects.  
    
  Hope this has been of some help.

  Steve W 


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Omar Binno 
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:52 PM
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording


    Wow. Thanks Steve. I'm wondering if it's possible to somehow route this 
recorder through the mixer where the vocals would be recorded onto a separate 
track from the music?
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Steve Wicketts 
      To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:17 PM
      Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording


      Hi Omar,

      I have an old Fostex 8 track Hard Drive Studio and it's very easy to use 
due 
      to the fact, all of the necessary controls are physical switches and 
knobs.

      As you know, most recorders these days are screen based and not 
accessible, 
      plus, they seem to be designing more multitrack recorders with studio 
      bouncing in mind with only 2 inputs to record too.

      I had a look on the net, and may have found a system that may just 
possibly 
      be accessible for live situations.
      I must stress, I haven't physically seen one of these systems.
      I've placed details below.

      Around $330 is the Fostex MR8HD 8-Track Digital Recorder.

      The Fostex MR8HD 8-Track Digital Recorder records to an internal 40GB 
drive 
      for more than 15 hours of 8 track digital recording at CD quality 
      (16-bit/44.1kHz).
      The simple and intuitive operation inherited from the Fostex MR-8 
recorder 
      is enhanced by features like 4-track simultaneous recording, push-dial 
      button
      for easy menu operation, full-track bouncing to a new song, and a USB 
Host 
      function for external CD burning. The Fostex digital recorder has a USB 
port
      for stereo WAV file-transfer between the unit and a PC. Built-in digital 
      effects including reverb and delay, and guitar amp and microphone 
      simulations.
      Dedicated analog guitar distortion knob, S/PDIF digital out for digital 
      mastering, and twin headphone outs give you added control and versatility.

      Fostex MR-8HD 8-Track Digital Recorder with 40GB Hard Drive Features:
      List of 11 items
      Internal, 40GB, 3.5" hard drive provides more than 15 hours of 8-track 
      recording at 16-bit/44.1kHz
      Intuitive, simple control environment
      128 x 64-dot LCD
      Full-track (8-track) bouncing to a new song
      Push-dial button for easy menu operation
      USB port for stereo WAV file-transfer between unit and PC
      Built-in digital effects including reverb, delay, and guitar amp and mic 
      simulations
      Dedicated analog guitar distortion knob
      USB Host function for external CD burning
      S/PDIF digital out for digital mastering
      Twin headphone outs

      Steve W

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
      To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:11 PM
      Subject: [ddots-l] Re: live performance recording


      > Is there a way to do this without using a laptop or sonar? Are there
      > any devices that will let me do this without a laptop?
      >
      > On 10/10/09, Steve Wicketts <steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
      >> Hi Omar,
      >>
      >> This may not be of any help what so ever. I can explain how to do it 
old
      >> School style.
      >> I do apologise if I'm stating the obvious.
      >>
      >> You will need a mixer with at least 3 sets of stereo bus channels, bus
      >> channel 3 being your stereo master bus channel.
      >>
      >> A: assign the microphone signal and all instrument signals to stereo 
bus
      >> channel 3 plus all the necessary effects for your front of house mix.
      >>
      >> B: Assign all instruments except vocal microphone to stereo bus 
channel 
      >> 2,
      >> these may be wet or dry depending on how you wish to record.
      >>
      >> c: assign vocal Microphone to stereo bus channel 1, again, this may be 
      >> wet
      >> or dry.
      >>
      >> Now take the cables from Stereo busses 1 and 2, connect them to 
Channels
      >> 1-2-3-4 on the recording system: if you are recording to Sonar, you 
will
      >> need a sound card or mixer with at least four mono inputs.
      >>
      >> Not yet used to thinking virtual and there's possibly now better ways 
of
      >> recording live performances.
      >>
      >> Hope this has been of some help.
      >>
      >> Steve W
      >>
      >>   ----- Original Message -----
      >>   From: Omar Binno
      >>   To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      >>   Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:07 PM
      >>   Subject: [ddots-l] live performance recording
      >>
      >>
      >>   Hello,
      >>
      >>   How would my setup need to run during a live gig if I want to record 
      >> the
      >> vocals from live performances separate from the music?
      >>
      >>   Thanks.
      >>
      >>
      >>   Omar Binno
      >>
      >>   Website: www.omarbinno.com
      >>   AIM: LOD1116
      >>   Skype: obinno1
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