[ddots-l] Re: getting more punch on drum tracks

Hey guys!  

I was wondering about this anti-software snare drum thread, and came to the 
inevitable conclusion...  

Surely this discussion is quite redundant?  
Not everyone wants or needs a kick ass snare, and there are literally hundreds 
of plug-ins out there that'll give you the appropriate beef/punch/attitude?  

Isn't it simply a question of processing?  
Mike


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Wicketts 
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:40 PM
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: getting more punch on drum tracks


  Hi Phil,

  Will be upgrading to Sonar 8.5 in the next few Months.

  Phil, my remarks about the quality of software snares, is me having a gripe 
about Superior and the other software companies.
  I apologise if it sounds like I'm aiming my gripe at you as that's not my 
intention at all. 
  The HSC set you created for Superior is brilliant and if we are talking 
accessible drum software, there's nothing to touch Superior. 
  Superior gives more overall control to a producer than if there was a real 
drummer in the drum room.

  My problem isn't just with superior, it's with most software companies that 
create drums. 
  Most software drums don't seem to have the snares beefy enough for me and 
they don't have enough attack. 
  It's like they sample a snare then whilst editing they decide to cut off the 
sound of the stick striking the snare.
  Maybe they don't want the time delay between the stick hitting and the snare 
responding, well, that time delay applies to a real snare... 
  the Thing I don't understand about Superior, they did an excellent job with 
the toms and the kick drums, as both toms and kicks sound really beefy and show 
a lot of attitude.
  You can get the snares to show a little attitude but it shouldn't have to 
takes several effects to make this happen.

  Moan over, the first one of 2010.
  Steve W 


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Muir 
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:55 PM
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: getting more punch on drum tracks


    Also, if you have a newer version of Sonar such as 8 or, 8.5 then, you can 
always add a bit of tube saturation to your drums.   The Tube warmer is to me 
at least, a good enough reason to upgrade to a newer version of Sonar.



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      -----Original Message-----
      From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
      Sent: 18 January 2010 09:27
      To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [ddots-l] Re: getting more punch on drum tracks


      Hi Len,

      The thing I've found about software drums is they're not usually as 
punchy as top spec hardware.
      Drumcure (not accessible) is the only Drums software I've come across 
that really does kick hard.

      Regarding Sonic Reality Oceanway Drums, I don't believe the Sonic Reality 
snares are any better than Superior.

      To give the Superior snare more attack:
      1: make sure you are using all the audio tracks across all the Drums.
      2: I believe three of the microphones are purely for the snare, these all 
need to be assign to one bus.
      4: on the Snare Bus Channel, go to the effects column, add either Sonitus 
Compression (Drum Destroyer) or Sonitus Compressor (Vintage DBX).
      5: Still on the Snare Bus Channel, put the cursor 1 right of the effect 
column so you are on the Compressor and then press your application key (this 
will ensure that this next effect that we are about to add is in front of the 
compressor.
      6: Add sonitus Gate, select (Zero One Default Gate)  
      This should not only give the snare some body, it should add a little 
punch.

      Superior Bass drums will not need any compression. 
      Using HSC, go to Mixer presets.
      arrow down to Kick sub menu, now arrow down to muscle and press enter and 
this will blow your speakers off the wall.

      The guys at Toontrack may have only spent 5 minutes on sampling the 
Snares but they spent Days on the Bass Drums. 
      Hope this helps.

      Steve W 


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Len Viljoen 
        To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:49 AM
        Subject: [ddots-l] getting more punch on drum tracks


        Hi guys. I use superior drummer on my tracks. I need to get more punch 
or power or thickness or whatever it's called on my drum tracks. Especially my 
snare drum sounds a bit thin. Any ideas on wich plugins I could use or what 
form of eq could remedy the problem? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

        Kind regards

        Len viljoen



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