Hi, Dan I wasn't aware there were developed scripts for Adobe, but some that someone had designed themselves and that these hadn't developed beyond the first version of Adobe. That was why I went for Sonar, and because of Dancing Dots' track record and reputation. If I've been misled, please correct me re Adobe Audition. Cheers Kylee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Rugman" <danrugman@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what has changed? > Kylee, I'm sorry to say that Sonar is definitely not an audio editor. Its > really just a midi sequencer with extended audio facilities. It's designed > for making music that also involves softsynths and hardsynths. I admit that > I sometimes use it for very corse edits but its no good for splicing or > tight crossfades. > > If you need to carry out fine edits then you'll need either SoundForge (for > one track stereo) or Adobe Audition (for multitrack), either is accessible. > > Its not just a question of resolution, the real difference is the ease of > navigating through the file. Both programs have keystrokes for previewing > edits and playing up to the cursor, after the cursor and the few seconds > around the cursor. Its also much easier to move around in the file and > select regions of audio for editing. This is extremely important if you're > working to a deadline and have to move fast. > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kylee Maloney" <kylee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:00 PM > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what has > changed? > > > > So how useful can any editor be if you can't control the zoom? Some of > > the > > edits I have to do in my work are quite fine and complex depending on the > > actuality and the talent. Is this not going to be up to the task? Should > > I > > just revert to SoundForge? > > > > Kylee > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin L. Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxx> > > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:38 AM > > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what has > > changed? > > > > > >> Actually, there doesn't appear to be any means of setting the scrub zoom > >> on the TranzPort either. It just seems to be set at a reasonable > >> default. > >> Kevin > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >> On Behalf Of Mike C > >> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 3:18 AM > >> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what > >> has changed? > >> > >> > >> there aut to be a way in which any control surface could use the same > >> consept as the transport, meaning if you can emulate a mackey control > >> frontier should make it possible to allow for any control serface to use > >> the > >> scrubb feature. > >> > >> Acutally the scrubb feature works not to bad on my project mix, if only > >> I > >> could figure how to set the scrub zoom, that would be grand. I'm going > >> to > >> give the folks at M-audio a call, and see if they can't make it possible > >> to > >> allow to set the zoom. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:40 PM > >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what > >> has > >> changed? > >> > >> > >> > Yes, that's the beauty of it. > >> > Gord > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Shawn Brock" <shawnbrock@xxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:34 PM > >> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what > >> has > >> > changed? > >> > > >> > > >> >> dumb question i guess... but can you use the tranzport with out > >> >> access to > >> >> the clips pain? thanks > >> >> Shawn Brock > >> >> Cincinnati Sound Lab > >> >> 130 East Sixth Street > >> >> Cincinnati Oh. > >> >> 45202 > >> >> Phone: 513-349-8541 > >> >> Web Site: > >> >> www.cincysoundlab.com > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Kevin L. Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxx> > >> >> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:54 PM > >> >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us what > >> has > >> >> changed? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> Actually, the clips pane is not enabled because there is an > >> >>> inexpensive hardware based solution called the TranzPort from > >> >>> Frontier Design that scrubs far better than David's key based > >> >>> solution does. Only complaints from customers have compelled David > >> >>> to reimplement the old clips pane solution. However, and I can't > >> >>> stress this enough, the TranzPort is a far better idea. Customers > >> >>> were simply complaining because they didn't want to spend an > >> >>> additional couple hundred bucks. Trust me, though, it's worth it. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >> >>> On Behalf Of Bob > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:45 PM > >> >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: What makes sonar 5 more accessible for us > >> what > >> >>> has changed? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Dear Sean, > >> >>> There is a product update coming soon? > >> >>> Sounds good. > >> >>> I figured the Clips Pane was gone because Cake Walk modified > >> >>> something that broke the Cake Talking scripts. Hats off to David > >> >>> and anyone else working > >> >>> hard to improve this product. > >> >>> Bob. > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: "Sean A. 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