[ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
- From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:47:51 -0400
Yep, been using it since Sound Forge XP 4 or something back in 1997. Before
that, I used SoundEdit16 on the Mac. Crap, time flies.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mark Dew
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:29 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
I didn't realize that a blind person could use Sound Forge .
Brian, maybe you could straighten me out.
Cheers!
Mark
At 09:26 PM 10/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>Maybe, but I still don't like doing fades and trimming in Sonar. It can
>do
it, but editing bus automation and doing trims and fades just takes way more
key presses and fiddling in Sonar to get it right. Not saying that you can't do
it, I just think Sound Forge is faster.
>
>Bryan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Phil Muir
>Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:39 PM
>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>they can be. On the other hand, I have tended to do all of my
>mastering
in Sonar. I can do that because I have access to the VU metres in Sonar which,
is really cool!
>
>
>
>Regards, Phil Muir
>Accessibility Training
>Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
>UK+44-1747-821-794
>Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>E-mail:
>info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
><mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>URL:
>www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/
><http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Studio Montebello
>Sent: 22 October 2009 01:35
>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
>Absolutely right Phil!!!
>Sonar is primarely a tracking and mixing package and the metering
>system
caters to these features.
>When tracking or mixing down, you're mostly interested in peak metering .
>In my opinion and in my practice, mastering is better suited to
>packages
such as Sound Forge or Wave Lab where the metering systems are much more
elaborate.
>Jean
>
>Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:21 PM
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
>> mastering. You really can check what's happening with the VU metres in
>> alternative packages. Bryan, I know you work for DD but, check it out
>and
>> you will see what people are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, Phil Muir
>> Accessibility Training
>> Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
>> UK+44-1747-821-794
>> Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>> E-mail:
>> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> URL:
>> www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/
>> <http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Smart
>> Sent: 22 October 2009 01:07
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> Though, if you're recording that instrument in stereo, and one of the
>> channels clips, you'll need to lower the volume on both channels by
>> the
>same
>> amount to preserve the stereo image, right? If you'll be lowering
>> them
>both
>> by the same amount, it doesn't seem to matter which one clipped. If
>> either of them clip, then they both need to be reduced by the same amount.
>>
>> If you're metering a stereo submix, and the submix clips, you have
>> the individual track meters to rely upon.
>>
>> Same thing for the master bus.
>>
>> Stereo meters might be interesting tools, but I can't imagine any
>> common scenarios where they're uniquely suited.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>> Behalf Of luis elorza
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:28 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> i agree entirely Brian, but there is a very common situation where
>> you
>have
>> 2 mikes to record a single instrument and if you want to record it
>> to a single track then you should be able to read both input
>> channels. as every mike has a different output level.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> Maybe I misunderstood what he wants, or maybe you misunderstood. Anyway...
>>
>> If you release the lock and hold, then you have a mostly
>> instantaneous report of the current signal strength. You are right
>> that this isn't the traditional definition of a VU meter, but you are
>> wrong that a VU meter measures "loudness".
>>
>> The difference between the instantaneous report and a traditional VU
>> meter is that a VU meter is designed with a lag to eliminate abrupt
changes.
>> Roughly speaking, a VU meter will trend toward the average input over
>> the last 300Ms or so. Sonar's meters don't respond in this way by
>> default, but you can easily make them respond with any curves that
>> you'd like by using the Audio Meter options dialog in the options menu.
>>
>> As to "loudness", the concept of loudness is very vague when we're
>> talking about a recording, since we could be listening to that
>> recording on tiny headphones or a huge PA. The only factors that
>> matter in gauging the level of a recording is its relative strength
>> when compared to another signal of fixed strength, and the dynamic
>> range of the material (difference between the most quiet and most
>> loud parts of the recording). In digital audio,
>the
>> maximum signal strength is 0DB, so the peak of your recording
>> matters, and you'd use a peak meter for that. However, more important
>> is the dynamic range of the recording. A narrow dynamic range makes
>> the recording seem louder, and you'd measure that with an RMS meter.
>> You can switch between these meter modes in the meter's context menu.
>>
>> CakeTalking is not able to report separate meters for the left and
>> right channel of a stereo track. Instead, you hear a single meter
>> that
>represents
>> the summed signal. In most situations, that is what most people care
>about,
>> since, if you're establishing level for a stereo signal, you rarely,
>> if ever, wish to distort the stereo image by independently adjusting
>> gain on the individual channels.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>> Behalf Of Studio Montebello
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> Unlocking the peak meter hold doesn't make a peak meter a VU meter!
>> A peak meter is what it says it measures the peak signal whereas a VU
>meter
>> measures the loudness, two different things.
>> Jean
>>
>> Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com
>> <http://www.studiomontebello.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>> But it can. If you open the meter context menu and deselect hold and
>> lock peeks, then you'll have a continuously fluctuating, and mostly
>> useless, vu meter.
>>
>> Not sure why people want a non-peek meter when it isn't possible for
>> any screen reader to report every value that appears without driving
>> you crazy with non-stop speech, but this method will let you have the
>> experience of trying.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>> Behalf Of Phil Muir
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:39 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> No it doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, Phil Muir
>> Accessibility Training
>> Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
>> UK+44-1747-821-794
>> Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
>> E-mail:
>> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> URL:
>> www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/
>> <http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
>> Sent: 21 October 2009 18:37
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>>
>> Previous iterations of Dancing Dots would report peak meters but not
>> the running VU meters. Since Jsonar can do this, does Cake Talking
>> do
it now?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Bartlett
>>
>>
>>
>>
>PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
>To leave the list, click on the immediately following link:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe
>If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>and in the Subject line type
>unsubscribe
>For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately
following link:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or send a message, to
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq
>
>
>PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
>To leave the list, click on the immediately following link:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe
>If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>and in the Subject line type
>unsubscribe
>For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately
following link:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or send a message, to
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq
>
>PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
>To leave the list, click on the immediately following link:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectsubscribe
>If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>and in the Subject line type
>unsubscribe
>For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately
>following link:
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or send a message, to
>ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq
>
>
PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
To leave the list, click on the immediately following link:
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe
If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
and in the Subject line type
unsubscribe
For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately
following link:
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or send a message, to
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq
PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
To leave the list, click on the immediately following link:
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe
If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
and in the Subject line type
unsubscribe
For other list commands such as vacation mode,
click on the immediately following link:
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or
send a message, to
ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
and in the Subject line type
faq
Other related posts:
