[ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
- From: Mark Dew <jmkeybd1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:29:18 -0500
I didn't realize that a blind person could use Sound Forge .
Brian, maybe you could straighten me out.
Cheers!
Mark
At 09:26 PM 10/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>Maybe, but I still don't like doing fades and trimming in Sonar. It can do
it, but editing bus automation and doing trims and fades just takes way
more key presses and fiddling in Sonar to get it right. Not saying that you
can't do it, I just think Sound Forge is faster.
>
>Bryan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Phil Muir
>Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:39 PM
>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>they can be. On the other hand, I have tended to do all of my mastering
in Sonar. I can do that because I have access to the VU metres in Sonar
which, is really cool!
>
>
>
>Regards, Phil Muir
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Studio Montebello
>Sent: 22 October 2009 01:35
>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
>Absolutely right Phil!!!
>Sonar is primarely a tracking and mixing package and the metering system
caters to these features.
>When tracking or mixing down, you're mostly interested in peak metering .
>In my opinion and in my practice, mastering is better suited to packages
such as Sound Forge or Wave Lab where the metering systems are much more
elaborate.
>Jean
>
>Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:21 PM
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
>> mastering. You really can check what's happening with the VU metres in
>> alternative packages. Bryan, I know you work for DD but, check it out
>and
>> you will see what people are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, Phil Muir
>> Accessibility Training
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>> UK+44-1747-821-794
>> Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Smart
>> Sent: 22 October 2009 01:07
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> Though, if you're recording that instrument in stereo, and one of the
>> channels clips, you'll need to lower the volume on both channels by
>> the
>same
>> amount to preserve the stereo image, right? If you'll be lowering them
>both
>> by the same amount, it doesn't seem to matter which one clipped. If
>> either of them clip, then they both need to be reduced by the same amount.
>>
>> If you're metering a stereo submix, and the submix clips, you have the
>> individual track meters to rely upon.
>>
>> Same thing for the master bus.
>>
>> Stereo meters might be interesting tools, but I can't imagine any
>> common scenarios where they're uniquely suited.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>> Behalf Of luis elorza
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:28 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> i agree entirely Brian, but there is a very common situation where you
>have
>> 2 mikes to record a single instrument and if you want to record it to
>> a single track then you should be able to read both input channels. as
>> every mike has a different output level.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> Maybe I misunderstood what he wants, or maybe you misunderstood. Anyway...
>>
>> If you release the lock and hold, then you have a mostly instantaneous
>> report of the current signal strength. You are right that this isn't
>> the traditional definition of a VU meter, but you are wrong that a VU
>> meter measures "loudness".
>>
>> The difference between the instantaneous report and a traditional VU
>> meter is that a VU meter is designed with a lag to eliminate abrupt
changes.
>> Roughly speaking, a VU meter will trend toward the average input over
>> the last 300Ms or so. Sonar's meters don't respond in this way by
>> default, but you can easily make them respond with any curves that
>> you'd like by using the Audio Meter options dialog in the options menu.
>>
>> As to "loudness", the concept of loudness is very vague when we're
>> talking about a recording, since we could be listening to that
>> recording on tiny headphones or a huge PA. The only factors that
>> matter in gauging the level of a recording is its relative strength
>> when compared to another signal of fixed strength, and the dynamic
>> range of the material (difference between the most quiet and most loud
>> parts of the recording). In digital audio,
>the
>> maximum signal strength is 0DB, so the peak of your recording matters,
>> and you'd use a peak meter for that. However, more important is the
>> dynamic range of the recording. A narrow dynamic range makes the
>> recording seem louder, and you'd measure that with an RMS meter. You
>> can switch between these meter modes in the meter's context menu.
>>
>> CakeTalking is not able to report separate meters for the left and
>> right channel of a stereo track. Instead, you hear a single meter that
>represents
>> the summed signal. In most situations, that is what most people care
>about,
>> since, if you're establishing level for a stereo signal, you rarely,
>> if ever, wish to distort the stereo image by independently adjusting
>> gain on the individual channels.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>> Behalf Of Studio Montebello
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:17 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> Unlocking the peak meter hold doesn't make a peak meter a VU meter!
>> A peak meter is what it says it measures the peak signal whereas a VU
>meter
>> measures the loudness, two different things.
>> Jean
>>
>> Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com
>> <http://www.studiomontebello.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>> But it can. If you open the meter context menu and deselect hold and
>> lock peeks, then you'll have a continuously fluctuating, and mostly
>> useless, vu meter.
>>
>> Not sure why people want a non-peek meter when it isn't possible for
>> any screen reader to report every value that appears without driving
>> you crazy with non-stop speech, but this method will let you have the
>> experience of trying.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
>> Behalf Of Phil Muir
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:39 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>> No it doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, Phil Muir
>> Accessibility Training
>> Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
>> UK+44-1747-821-794
>> Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
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>> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> URL:
>> www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/
>> <http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
>> Sent: 21 October 2009 18:37
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] VU meters in DD
>>
>>
>>
>> Previous iterations of Dancing Dots would report peak meters but not
>> the running VU meters. Since Jsonar can do this, does Cake Talking do
it now?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Bartlett
>>
>>
>>
>>
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