[ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
- From: "Studio Montebello" <studiomontebello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:34:36 -0400
Absolutely right Phil!!!
Sonar is primarely a tracking and mixing package and the metering system
caters to these features.
When tracking or mixing down, you're mostly interested in peak metering .
In my opinion and in my practice, mastering is better suited to packages such
as Sound Forge or Wave Lab where the metering systems are much more elaborate.
Jean
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
> mastering. You really can check what's happening with the VU metres in
> alternative packages. Bryan, I know you work for DD but, check it out and
> you will see what people are talking about.
>
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> Regards, Phil Muir
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Bryan Smart
> Sent: 22 October 2009 01:07
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
> Though, if you're recording that instrument in stereo, and one of the
> channels clips, you'll need to lower the volume on both channels by the same
> amount to preserve the stereo image, right? If you'll be lowering them both
> by the same amount, it doesn't seem to matter which one clipped. If either
> of them clip, then they both need to be reduced by the same amount.
>
> If you're metering a stereo submix, and the submix clips, you have the
> individual track meters to rely upon.
>
> Same thing for the master bus.
>
> Stereo meters might be interesting tools, but I can't imagine any common
> scenarios where they're uniquely suited.
>
> Bryan
>
> _____
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> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of luis elorza
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:28 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
> i agree entirely Brian, but there is a very common situation where you have
> 2 mikes to record a single instrument and if you want to record it to a
> single track then you should be able to read both input channels. as every
> mike has a different output level.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:14 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
> Maybe I misunderstood what he wants, or maybe you misunderstood. Anyway...
>
> If you release the lock and hold, then you have a mostly instantaneous
> report of the current signal strength. You are right that this isn't the
> traditional definition of a VU meter, but you are wrong that a VU meter
> measures "loudness".
>
> The difference between the instantaneous report and a traditional VU meter
> is that a VU meter is designed with a lag to eliminate abrupt changes.
> Roughly speaking, a VU meter will trend toward the average input over the
> last 300Ms or so. Sonar's meters don't respond in this way by default, but
> you can easily make them respond with any curves that you'd like by using
> the Audio Meter options dialog in the options menu.
>
> As to "loudness", the concept of loudness is very vague when we're talking
> about a recording, since we could be listening to that recording on tiny
> headphones or a huge PA. The only factors that matter in gauging the level
> of a recording is its relative strength when compared to another signal of
> fixed strength, and the dynamic range of the material (difference between
> the most quiet and most loud parts of the recording). In digital audio, the
> maximum signal strength is 0DB, so the peak of your recording matters, and
> you'd use a peak meter for that. However, more important is the dynamic
> range of the recording. A narrow dynamic range makes the recording seem
> louder, and you'd measure that with an RMS meter. You can switch between
> these meter modes in the meter's context menu.
>
> CakeTalking is not able to report separate meters for the left and right
> channel of a stereo track. Instead, you hear a single meter that represents
> the summed signal. In most situations, that is what most people care about,
> since, if you're establishing level for a stereo signal, you rarely, if
> ever, wish to distort the stereo image by independently adjusting gain on
> the individual channels.
>
> Bryan
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> _____
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> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Studio Montebello
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
> Unlocking the peak meter hold doesn't make a peak meter a VU meter!
> A peak meter is what it says it measures the peak signal whereas a VU meter
> measures the loudness, two different things.
> Jean
>
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> <http://www.studiomontebello.com>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
> But it can. If you open the meter context menu and deselect hold and lock
> peeks, then you'll have a continuously fluctuating, and mostly useless, vu
> meter.
>
> Not sure why people want a non-peek meter when it isn't possible for any
> screen reader to report every value that appears without driving you crazy
> with non-stop speech, but this method will let you have the experience of
> trying.
>
> Bryan
>
> _____
>
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Phil Muir
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:39 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
>
>
> No it doesn't.
>
>
>
> Regards, Phil Muir
> Accessibility Training
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
> Sent: 21 October 2009 18:37
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] VU meters in DD
>
>
>
> Previous iterations of Dancing Dots would report peak meters but not the
> running VU meters. Since Jsonar can do this, does Cake Talking do it now?
>
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> Chris Bartlett
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