[ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
- From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:21:33 +0100
Yup, and there's another good case and point.
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of luis elorza
Sent: 22 October 2009 01:15
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
sorry, i disagree. when i am recording 2 mikes into the same stereo
channel i need to know the level independently so i can adjust each one
separately by adjusting levels on my mixer or mike pre.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
Though, if you're recording that instrument in stereo, and one of the
channels clips, you'll need to lower the volume on both channels by the same
amount to preserve the stereo image, right? If you'll be lowering them both
by the same amount, it doesn't seem to matter which one clipped. If either
of them clip, then they both need to be reduced by the same amount.
If you're metering a stereo submix, and the submix clips, you have the
individual track meters to rely upon.
Same thing for the master bus.
Stereo meters might be interesting tools, but I can't imagine any common
scenarios where they're uniquely suited.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of luis elorza
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:28 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
i agree entirely Brian, but there is a very common situation where you
have 2 mikes to record a single instrument and if you want to record it to
a single track then you should be able to read both input channels. as every
mike has a different output level.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
Maybe I misunderstood what he wants, or maybe you misunderstood.
Anyway...
If you release the lock and hold, then you have a mostly instantaneous
report of the current signal strength. You are right that this isn't the
traditional definition of a VU meter, but you are wrong that a VU meter
measures "loudness".
The difference between the instantaneous report and a traditional VU
meter is that a VU meter is designed with a lag to eliminate abrupt changes.
Roughly speaking, a VU meter will trend toward the average input over the
last 300Ms or so. Sonar's meters don't respond in this way by default, but
you can easily make them respond with any curves that you'd like by using
the Audio Meter options dialog in the options menu.
As to "loudness", the concept of loudness is very vague when we're
talking about a recording, since we could be listening to that recording on
tiny headphones or a huge PA. The only factors that matter in gauging the
level of a recording is its relative strength when compared to another
signal of fixed strength, and the dynamic range of the material (difference
between the most quiet and most loud parts of the recording). In digital
audio, the maximum signal strength is 0DB, so the peak of your recording
matters, and you'd use a peak meter for that. However, more important is the
dynamic range of the recording. A narrow dynamic range makes the recording
seem louder, and you'd measure that with an RMS meter. You can switch
between these meter modes in the meter's context menu.
CakeTalking is not able to report separate meters for the left and
right channel of a stereo track. Instead, you hear a single meter that
represents the summed signal. In most situations, that is what most people
care about, since, if you're establishing level for a stereo signal, you
rarely, if ever, wish to distort the stereo image by independently adjusting
gain on the individual channels.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Studio Montebello
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:17 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
Unlocking the peak meter hold doesn't make a peak meter a VU meter!
A peak meter is what it says it measures the peak signal whereas a VU
meter measures the loudness, two different things.
Jean
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
But it can. If you open the meter context menu and deselect hold and
lock peeks, then you'll have a continuously fluctuating, and mostly useless,
vu meter.
Not sure why people want a non-peek meter when it isn't possible for
any screen reader to report every value that appears without driving you
crazy with non-stop speech, but this method will let you have the experience
of trying.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Muir
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:39 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VU meters in DD
No it doesn't.
Regards, Phil Muir
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: 21 October 2009 18:37
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] VU meters in DD
Previous iterations of Dancing Dots would report peak meters but
not the running VU meters. Since Jsonar can do this, does Cake Talking do
it now?
Chris Bartlett
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