[ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.

okay well I don't get something here, why are systems now a days coming with 
4gb of Ram?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George Bell 
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:24 AM
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


  Hi Gordon,

  Seems you missed the message I posted about "per application" which I posted 
yesterday.  I've copied it below.

  George.

  Hi Gordon,

  Here's your answer, and from a very highly respected Microsoft Employee.  In 
fact, what Mark doesn't know about compilers, just isn't worth knowing.  His 
full time job used to be troubleshooting compilers for Microsoft covering the 
whole of Europe and Africa.

  George.



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  From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Mark Long
  Sent: 25 April 2007 10:57
  To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [program-l] Re: Vista - Application Memory Limit


  The limitation is to do with the CPU address length which in turn relates to 
the CPU bitness, not the OS.
   
  Without hacking headers and forcing high loading of system components, user 
mode apps are limited to 2GB on 32 bit (but be impressed if you can get over 
1.6 GB without a crash). On 64 bit, you are in the terrabyte range.

  What problem are you trying to solve here please?
   
  Thanks
   
  Mark






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    Subject: [program-l] Vista - Application Memory Limit
    Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:24 +0100
    From: george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


    Does anyone know what the memory limit is for individual applications with 
Vista?

    I believe the total limit for the 32 bit version is 4 GB, but have been 
asked is there's a limit for an individual application.

    Needless to say I've Googled and hunted the MS web site, but can't seem to 
find the correct keywords to obtain a result.

    George W F Bell, Managing Director
    Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
    76 Bunting Road Ind. Est.
    NORTHAMPTON, NN2 6EE
    Tel: +44 (0)160 479 2777
    Fax: +44 (0)160 479 2726
    e-mail:  george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Web: http://www.techno-vision.co.uk 



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  From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
  Sent: 25 April 2007 22:15
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


  Yeah, well that didn't answer the per application question.  I have run up 
against the 2gb brick wall using sonar with a lot of samples loaded.  I have 
3gb in my system, I eonder If I should take one out for all the good it's doing.
  Gord
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: George Bell 
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:56 AM
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


    The overall figures are here, but I'll try and find out what the 
application limit is.

    http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.asp?qid=3743

    George.



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    From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
    Sent: 25 April 2007 06:03
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


    Frankly I am getting disenchanted with m-audio  ever since they were bought 
out by avid.  Unless somebody can give me a compeling reason, I don't plan to 
move to vista any time soon.  Does the 32-bit version of vista still have the 
2gb memory limitation for any one application?
    Gord
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mike C 
      To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:35 PM
      Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


      Hey george, sorry that things aren't going well for you.  I'm sure, that 
things will work themselves out in the next couple of months.  As for me, 
everythings including all my music gear except the stupid M-audio project mix, 
which M-audio has bluntly told me that they don't know when there going to come 
up with th update.  However I think there just beeing plain old lazy, as they 
stated on their web site that they have been working with Microsoft and Vista 
for a year or so, I'm sure it doesn't take a year to develope the drivers.  
Edirol, and Presonus, and the audio card which Cake ships is having drivers for 
Vista, even echo audio, and Tascam have developed or will be releasing drivers 
by the end of the month.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: George Bell 
        To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:42 AM
        Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


        Hi Mike,

        The driver isn't the problem.  The Motherboard and BIOS just will not 
support Vista - PERIOD.

        Which is a decidedly stupid statement, since I've been running Vista on 
it for over a year.  

        It's an ATI Radeon Sapphire X1950 Pro (512MB), which not only requires 
an available 45 amps on the 12 volt rail, but a connection to the Power supply 
also.

        The only reason I got the stupid thing was to produce better screen 
shots for these sighted guys who want to look at pictures in the Help files I 
author.

        George.



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        From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike C
        Sent: 24 April 2007 11:34
        To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


        George what Invidia card do you have, I may be able to send you the 
correct driver.

          I have the Invidia g force 7900
          that was one of the things that scared me at the begginning.  Low and 
behold I was able to find the driver manually  at Invidia web site.  My version 
of the driver is as of March 2007.
          While George is correct in saying that buyers be ware, I have had 
very good luck in using Vista thus far, and realizing that the auto feature 
doesn't work under Vista, I think in some cases that's bettter in that you 
could altimatly use the narrator to open up the CD and run the settup of any 
software.

          I use to find the stupid autorun feature a pain in the you know what, 
as most of those autorun screens were in accessible to blind users anyway.  
take for instance Sonar.
          I also love Vista in that when you actually make a video card change, 
Jaws doesn't crap out and give you a video intersept maniger, it actually still 
works.
          when considering all the security protection that Vista so far has to 
offer, I'm sticking to it, and eventually I'm sure all the bugs will be worked 
out.
          This business of going back to XP doesn't interest me at all.
          If you remember Xp went through the same problems.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: George Bell 
          To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:58 AM
          Subject: [ddots-l] VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.


          Cross posted, so apologies if you see multiple copies.

          Just in case anyone is thinking of upgrading their system to VISTA, 
beware of making the same mistake I have. (Even if, to you, it is a fairly new 
system!!)

          I'd been in the Vista Beta program almost since day one.  At that 
time my Fujitsu Pentium PIV, 2.66GHz was barely a year old, and one of their 
"current" top end models.

          All through the beta, and right up to and including the current 
updated release, everything has been fine with Vista Ultimate, except for the 
nVidea video card. That was the one and only warning I got from even the latest 
version of the Vista Upgrade Advisor.

          And so I was delighted to get a gift of a new ATI card, fully Vista 
compliant with a nice 512 MB in it.

          But oh dear!  The system saw the new card, but when the system 
re-booted, it died.

          Having spent a major part of yesterday trying to get this super new 
AGP card installed, it turns out that the Fujitsu Siemens motherboard in my PC 
does not officially support Vista.  Consequently ATI dropped the support case 
like a hot brick.  Fujitsu themselves don't want to know, as they say the 
Scenic Series was discontinued before Vista was released to Joe Public.

          Little wonder DELL are re-introducing a range of systems with XP 
installed!

          George Bell.

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