[ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
- From: Mike C <m_dsmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:19:36 -0400
okay well I don't get something here, why are systems now a days coming with
4gb of Ram?
----- Original Message -----
From: George Bell
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:24 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
Hi Gordon,
Seems you missed the message I posted about "per application" which I posted
yesterday. I've copied it below.
George.
Hi Gordon,
Here's your answer, and from a very highly respected Microsoft Employee. In
fact, what Mark doesn't know about compilers, just isn't worth knowing. His
full time job used to be troubleshooting compilers for Microsoft covering the
whole of Europe and Africa.
George.
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From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mark Long
Sent: 25 April 2007 10:57
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: Vista - Application Memory Limit
The limitation is to do with the CPU address length which in turn relates to
the CPU bitness, not the OS.
Without hacking headers and forcing high loading of system components, user
mode apps are limited to 2GB on 32 bit (but be impressed if you can get over
1.6 GB without a crash). On 64 bit, you are in the terrabyte range.
What problem are you trying to solve here please?
Thanks
Mark
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Subject: [program-l] Vista - Application Memory Limit
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:24 +0100
From: george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Does anyone know what the memory limit is for individual applications with
Vista?
I believe the total limit for the 32 bit version is 4 GB, but have been
asked is there's a limit for an individual application.
Needless to say I've Googled and hunted the MS web site, but can't seem to
find the correct keywords to obtain a result.
George W F Bell, Managing Director
Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
76 Bunting Road Ind. Est.
NORTHAMPTON, NN2 6EE
Tel: +44 (0)160 479 2777
Fax: +44 (0)160 479 2726
e-mail: george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: http://www.techno-vision.co.uk
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 25 April 2007 22:15
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
Yeah, well that didn't answer the per application question. I have run up
against the 2gb brick wall using sonar with a lot of samples loaded. I have
3gb in my system, I eonder If I should take one out for all the good it's doing.
Gord
----- Original Message -----
From: George Bell
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:56 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
The overall figures are here, but I'll try and find out what the
application limit is.
http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.asp?qid=3743
George.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 25 April 2007 06:03
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
Frankly I am getting disenchanted with m-audio ever since they were bought
out by avid. Unless somebody can give me a compeling reason, I don't plan to
move to vista any time soon. Does the 32-bit version of vista still have the
2gb memory limitation for any one application?
Gord
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike C
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
Hey george, sorry that things aren't going well for you. I'm sure, that
things will work themselves out in the next couple of months. As for me,
everythings including all my music gear except the stupid M-audio project mix,
which M-audio has bluntly told me that they don't know when there going to come
up with th update. However I think there just beeing plain old lazy, as they
stated on their web site that they have been working with Microsoft and Vista
for a year or so, I'm sure it doesn't take a year to develope the drivers.
Edirol, and Presonus, and the audio card which Cake ships is having drivers for
Vista, even echo audio, and Tascam have developed or will be releasing drivers
by the end of the month.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Bell
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:42 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
Hi Mike,
The driver isn't the problem. The Motherboard and BIOS just will not
support Vista - PERIOD.
Which is a decidedly stupid statement, since I've been running Vista on
it for over a year.
It's an ATI Radeon Sapphire X1950 Pro (512MB), which not only requires
an available 45 amps on the 12 volt rail, but a connection to the Power supply
also.
The only reason I got the stupid thing was to produce better screen
shots for these sighted guys who want to look at pictures in the Help files I
author.
George.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: 24 April 2007 11:34
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
George what Invidia card do you have, I may be able to send you the
correct driver.
I have the Invidia g force 7900
that was one of the things that scared me at the begginning. Low and
behold I was able to find the driver manually at Invidia web site. My version
of the driver is as of March 2007.
While George is correct in saying that buyers be ware, I have had
very good luck in using Vista thus far, and realizing that the auto feature
doesn't work under Vista, I think in some cases that's bettter in that you
could altimatly use the narrator to open up the CD and run the settup of any
software.
I use to find the stupid autorun feature a pain in the you know what,
as most of those autorun screens were in accessible to blind users anyway.
take for instance Sonar.
I also love Vista in that when you actually make a video card change,
Jaws doesn't crap out and give you a video intersept maniger, it actually still
works.
when considering all the security protection that Vista so far has to
offer, I'm sticking to it, and eventually I'm sure all the bugs will be worked
out.
This business of going back to XP doesn't interest me at all.
If you remember Xp went through the same problems.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Bell
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:58 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] VISTA - Don't fall into my trap.
Cross posted, so apologies if you see multiple copies.
Just in case anyone is thinking of upgrading their system to VISTA,
beware of making the same mistake I have. (Even if, to you, it is a fairly new
system!!)
I'd been in the Vista Beta program almost since day one. At that
time my Fujitsu Pentium PIV, 2.66GHz was barely a year old, and one of their
"current" top end models.
All through the beta, and right up to and including the current
updated release, everything has been fine with Vista Ultimate, except for the
nVidea video card. That was the one and only warning I got from even the latest
version of the Vista Upgrade Advisor.
And so I was delighted to get a gift of a new ATI card, fully Vista
compliant with a nice 512 MB in it.
But oh dear! The system saw the new card, but when the system
re-booted, it died.
Having spent a major part of yesterday trying to get this super new
AGP card installed, it turns out that the Fujitsu Siemens motherboard in my PC
does not officially support Vista. Consequently ATI dropped the support case
like a hot brick. Fujitsu themselves don't want to know, as they say the
Scenic Series was discontinued before Vista was released to Joe Public.
Little wonder DELL are re-introducing a range of systems with XP
installed!
George Bell.
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