[ddots-l] Re: Sonar 5 installed without effects presets

  • From: "Phil Muir" <philmuir1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:06:46 +0100

Hi Bob!!

I have placed comments within your message.

Hi all.  Originally, I was going to email only Bill and Gord about this
unusual problem but I thought it might be interesting to other Sonar owners
who may know of a solution.  When I first installed Sonar 5 Producer back in
June, I believe I had access to all of the effects presets that supposedly
come with the program although I don't entirely know for sure anymore.  I
wasn't sure if I had all of the available soft synthes installed and a list
member recommended in another thread that I uninstall and reinstall Sonar
selecting "all" in each of the options screens for each software component.
This I did and ever since, the combo boxes for all effects presets have been
empty.  Like I say, I don't remember for sure if I had the presets on first
install.

Bob, when you install Sonar from scratch, it doesn't install all available affects and softsynbthes. Also, if you are running CT then, you will need to press Alt and the down arrow key in order to open the preset dialog box. some softsynthes presets, aren't actually accessed in that dialog box anyway. Some affects ones are however, I am not sure that the "perfect space" reverb, has any presets at all. I could be wrong though.

Also, and this is important, when you installed Sonar, did you install it under the same user as before, and did you install it as a user on Windows XP with administrative privileges? If not, or, if you install Sonar under different user credentials then, you won't have access to any affects presets. This is a well documented issue.

The other thing I noticed is that all my other settings were
intact from the previous installation.  I decided to completely remove Sonar
and Cake Talking as Bill advised me to do last week by clearing out all Cake
Talking script files in the Jaws Settings folder before uninstalling Cake
Talking.  I then uninstalled Sonar carefully deleting all files and folders
afterward with the hope of starting completely over.

Also, before reinstalling Sonar, did you go into the registry and remove all of 
the

Cakewalk Music Software

Entries? If not then, Sonar will indeed remember all of your old settings. Before going to the trouble of a reinstall again, I should first of all, try using Alt and the down arrow key in any of the Sonatus affects dialog boxes, and see if you find any presets. If not then, you may need to reinstall Sonar again from scratch. Obviously if you do find presets then, your good to go.

Before digging into the registry, it would be best to back up the registry or, create a restore point, using System restore. You will find system restore in accessories, system tools. You could call the restore point something like, before altering the registry.

To remove all of the references from the registry that relate to the "cakewalk Music Software" entry, you first have to remove CT then Sonar. Then, you would go to the run dialog box and type:

regedit.

This will open up the registry.  Then press function key F3 and in the "find 
dialog box type:

Cakewalk Music Software and press the enter key.

This will find you all of the Cakewalk Music Software entries. You would then , go on to your C drive and find the Cakewalk folder in program files, as well as any other cakewalk folders on your C drive and delete them.

I then upgraded Cake
Talking to the latest patch and reinstalled Sonar without messing with any
of the option screens.  Frustratingly, all my old settings were back,
(normal template loads instead of quick start etc.) and effects preset combo
boxes were empty when I tried to patch them in either as real time or
destructive effects.  Yes, the Cake Walk effects are available to be used
and modified but it takes a long time to set the parameters for each effect
when everyone else has factory presets at their disposal.  Of course, the
Perfect Space and anything else not fully supported are useless without
presets.

If that's how you did it then, you didn't do it in quite the correct order. Meaning that, you would first of all install Sonar and patch it up to the latest version. Then, install CT.

I tried again uninstalling and reinstalling everything, this time
selecting the default settings button in each of the Sonar options screens.
Again, all my settings remained and no presets to be found.

Doing that, wouldn't affect whether you have access to your presets or, not.

AS a last
resort, I upgraded to Sonar 5.2 but the presets were not restored.

No, they won't be as the presets are put in in the initial install of Sonar Producer 5. See my above suggestions.

I welcome any new information or suggestions to solve this problem so that I
can get back to recording.  Until then, my studio is dry.

I think I have about covered it. Calling Tim Burgess or, Sean Cummins, for further input or, thoughts. Guys, what do you think?

Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music and audio production
URL: www.philmuir.com/


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <bob2935@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Sonar 5 installed without effects presets



Hi all. Originally, I was going to email only Bill and Gord about this unusual problem but I thought it might be interesting to other Sonar owners who may know of a solution. When I first installed Sonar 5 Producer back in June, I believe I had access to all of the effects presets that supposedly come with the program although I don't entirely know for sure anymore. I wasn't sure if I had all of the available soft synthes installed and a list member recommended in another thread that I uninstall and reinstall Sonar selecting "all" in each of the options screens for each software component. This I did and ever since, the combo boxes for all effects presets have been empty. Like I say, I don't remember for sure if I had the presets on first install. The other thing I noticed is that all my other settings were intact from the previous installation. I decided to completely remove Sonar and Cake Talking as Bill advised me to do last week by clearing out all Cake Talking script files in the Jaws Settings folder before uninstalling Cake Talking. I then uninstalled Sonar carefully deleting all files and folders afterward with the hope of starting completely over. I then upgraded Cake Talking to the latest patch and reinstalled Sonar without messing with any of the option screens. Frustratingly, all my old settings were back, (normal template loads instead of quick start etc.) and effects preset combo boxes were empty when I tried to patch them in either as real time or destructive effects. Yes, the Cake Walk effects are available to be used and modified but it takes a long time to set the parameters for each effect when everyone else has factory presets at their disposal. Of course, the Perfect Space and anything else not fully supported are useless without presets. I tried again uninstalling and reinstalling everything, this time selecting the default settings button in each of the Sonar options screens. Again, all my settings remained and no presets to be found. AS a last resort, I upgraded to Sonar 5.2 but the presets were not restored.
I welcome any new information or suggestions to solve this problem so that I can get back to recording. Until then, my studio is dry.
Bob.


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