[ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing

Hi Kevin!!

I guess it is.

Regards, Phil Muir

P J Muir Productions
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin L. Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing


> Phil,
> I always thought that combining the best elements of several
> tracks into one track, as you just described, was the definition of a
> composite track.
> Kevin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Phil Muir
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:00 AM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing
> 
> 
> Hi Chi!!
> 
> Well, I don't personally use composite tracks myself.  However, I do
> compile several vocals into one track.  I have been doing this since
> working in Sonar 2.2.  Let me explain.
> 
> A client comes into my studio and does three vocal takes that I am happy
> with.  I then choose the best of the three takes, select that track and
> copy it to a fourth empty track.  I then mute all of the tracks except
> for the new track that I have copied too.  At this point, I play that
> track through and stop it at a point where the vocal sounds weak or
> perhaps, flat.  I mute the fourth vocal track, then look at the other
> two vocal takes and can usually find a line from one of those to replace
> the duff line on the fourth vocal track.  I keep on going through the
> take and compiling lines from the other takes to the fourth track.
> 
> Regarding your other question, you can always use the "snap to grid"
> dialog.  That has various options for accessing the grid.
> 
> You can get into the "snap to grid" dialog box in Sonar 3 by using the
> Cake Talking keystroke, function key F4.
> 
> Also, with Sonar 4 and When Cake Talking for Sonar 4 is released, , you
> will be able to select audio and use the "nudge feature" in order to
> move audio back and fourth.
> 
> Regards, Phil Muir, one of the CT for Sonar 4 beta testers
> 
> P J Muir Productions
> URL:
> www.philmuir.com/
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chi Gook Kim" <chigookkim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:35 AM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing
> 
> 
> > I know nowadays all the productions are just collection of composite 
> > tracks. Also, sonar 4 has specific function to deal with comp tracks.
> 
> > If scrubbing is not that easy, it'd be very hard to make a comp track.
> 
> > Also, people use that a lot to align the audio to the grid.  Is there 
> > any way for us to do that? It's sad that we take live performance and 
> > kind of destroy the feelings, but perfection in pitch and time is what
> 
> > the audience wants nowadays.  We abuse autotune and composite tracks 
> > to make it perfect. A professor demonstrated to a class how autotune 
> > works, and I couldn't really notice the editing if it was done right 
> > with graphical mode, not the auto mode.  In graphical mode, you can 
> > adjust each notes and how they're aproached.  It's just amazing.  
> > Especially if the singer sings with full sounding production music, 
> > you can't tell at all whether it's autotuned or not. It's like magic.
> > Anyways, it'd be cool for caketalking to come up with the function for
> > better scrubbing in later version.
> > Lastly, how well does caketalking deals with composite function for
> sonar 4?
> >
> > Chi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Muir" <philmuir1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:33 PM
> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing
> >
> >
> > The best way would be to grab a section of the vocal from somewhere 
> > else. Or, perhaps load up the file into Sound Forge and edit it there.
> 
> > Even if the scrubbing was better in Sonar, I wouldn't
> > personally use the scrub feature to try and cut and paste a syllable .
> It's
> > way too fiddly.  I
> > suspect it would even be way too fiddly to do that in Sound Forge to.
> >
> > Regards, Phil Muir
> >
> > P J Muir Productions
> > URL:
> > www.philmuir.com/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chi Gook Kim" <chigookkim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:57 PM
> > Subject: [ddots-l] Scrubbing
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > What's the best way for us to do the scrubbing?  I tried with 
> > > keyboard, and it's very very hard to find a section.  Also, I tried 
> > > with mouse and the dial for fw-1884, and it's the same.
> > > Let's say if you want to chop off syllable from a vocal track and
> want to
> > > paste on different section.  What's the best and acurat way to do
> that?
> > >
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