[ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing

Phil,
        I always thought that combining the best elements of several
tracks into one track, as you just described, was the definition of a
composite track.
Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Phil Muir
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:00 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing


Hi Chi!!

Well, I don't personally use composite tracks myself.  However, I do
compile several vocals into one track.  I have been doing this since
working in Sonar 2.2.  Let me explain.

A client comes into my studio and does three vocal takes that I am happy
with.  I then choose the best of the three takes, select that track and
copy it to a fourth empty track.  I then mute all of the tracks except
for the new track that I have copied too.  At this point, I play that
track through and stop it at a point where the vocal sounds weak or
perhaps, flat.  I mute the fourth vocal track, then look at the other
two vocal takes and can usually find a line from one of those to replace
the duff line on the fourth vocal track.  I keep on going through the
take and compiling lines from the other takes to the fourth track.

Regarding your other question, you can always use the "snap to grid"
dialog.  That has various options for accessing the grid.

You can get into the "snap to grid" dialog box in Sonar 3 by using the
Cake Talking keystroke, function key F4.

Also, with Sonar 4 and When Cake Talking for Sonar 4 is released, , you
will be able to select audio and use the "nudge feature" in order to
move audio back and fourth.

Regards, Phil Muir, one of the CT for Sonar 4 beta testers

P J Muir Productions
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chi Gook Kim" <chigookkim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing


> I know nowadays all the productions are just collection of composite 
> tracks. Also, sonar 4 has specific function to deal with comp tracks.

> If scrubbing is not that easy, it'd be very hard to make a comp track.

> Also, people use that a lot to align the audio to the grid.  Is there 
> any way for us to do that? It's sad that we take live performance and 
> kind of destroy the feelings, but perfection in pitch and time is what

> the audience wants nowadays.  We abuse autotune and composite tracks 
> to make it perfect. A professor demonstrated to a class how autotune 
> works, and I couldn't really notice the editing if it was done right 
> with graphical mode, not the auto mode.  In graphical mode, you can 
> adjust each notes and how they're aproached.  It's just amazing.  
> Especially if the singer sings with full sounding production music, 
> you can't tell at all whether it's autotuned or not. It's like magic.
> Anyways, it'd be cool for caketalking to come up with the function for
> better scrubbing in later version.
> Lastly, how well does caketalking deals with composite function for
sonar 4?
>
> Chi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Muir" <philmuir1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:33 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Scrubbing
>
>
> The best way would be to grab a section of the vocal from somewhere 
> else. Or, perhaps load up the file into Sound Forge and edit it there.

> Even if the scrubbing was better in Sonar, I wouldn't
> personally use the scrub feature to try and cut and paste a syllable .
It's
> way too fiddly.  I
> suspect it would even be way too fiddly to do that in Sound Forge to.
>
> Regards, Phil Muir
>
> P J Muir Productions
> URL:
> www.philmuir.com/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chi Gook Kim" <chigookkim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:57 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Scrubbing
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > What's the best way for us to do the scrubbing?  I tried with 
> > keyboard, and it's very very hard to find a section.  Also, I tried 
> > with mouse and the dial for fw-1884, and it's the same.
> > Let's say if you want to chop off syllable from a vocal track and
want to
> > paste on different section.  What's the best and acurat way to do
that?
> >
> > Chi
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