an email full of hope, really, thanks so much.----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Viljoen" <len@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.t voice over
Well to be honest I think not one of us likes the way companies are dealingwith accessibility but the point is we must make the best of what we have and keep on hoping and fighting for more accessibility. I think if more software companies in particular will just implement a good hotkey systemwe'll be 100% better off. I for one really hope apple goes even further thanputting voice over in there ipods and I phones and give us pro tools with speech. This may sound lame but we must just stay positive and keep on asking and knocking on the doors of companies. At some stage someone will hopefully here us. Have a good weekend all of you Kind regards Len Viljoen Gospel Singer Email1: len@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Email2: g-boy@xxxxxxxxxx Tel: 023 3470022 Mobile: 082 3954286 Fax: 023 3470022 Skype: lenviljoen Windows Live: gospelboy07@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message-----From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] OnBehalf Of Mike Tyo Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:24 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.t voice over Hi Ramy,I'd love to undertake such a project; However, I've been down that road, andit's really not effective. As was stated in the list, there are a couple of a petitions where you can go to sign. Perhaps that'll get some things movingon it in time. In the meantime, anyone you may talk with who's a representative of a manufacturer of musical instruments or software thatisn't accessible is about the best you can do right now. I know it's not theanswer you want to hear; I don't like it either. I've been dealing with thisstuff for over 25 years, and I've been branching out in accessibility issuesconcerning products other than musical instruments as it's a real problem there as well. Have a good one. Mike----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramy Moustafa" <moshtaqlealganna@xxxxxxxxx>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:53 Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.t voice overhi mike:if u please, as u know my english is not so good, so, can u write a strongofficial letter, and i'll try to send it to all insttitutions, and i'll try to do my best, but please, try to write a letter explaining all these ideas, , and stating that we need these screen readers on all our musical equipments. Thanks allot Cheers Ramy Moustafa----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Tyo" <mtyo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: O.t voice overAh - yes; this subject of voice access and touch-screen technology and other related issues dealing with accessibility has been a real bugaboo for quite some time now. While there are companies out there doing a great job of making products accessible either by manufacturing stand-alone devices or developing software that'll provide decent interfaces to non-accessible applications, today's electronic instruments are by enlarge inaccessible to people who are blind. I've been told by some sighted musicians that they don't like touch-screen based instruments because they're difficult to deal with on stage and in situations where thelighting is such that they can't see the screens properly. they feel thatthey might hit the wrong button during a performance, and I don't have to elaborate on the consequences of that. When I was a Product Specialist for the former Technics Musical Instruments, I had many conversations with folks in research and development about this very issue, and while there was a fair amount of enthusiasm from people in the US, it fell on deaf ears when it was brought up at the factory in Japan. One idea was to not change the design of theinstruments, rather it was to adapt them so that they could be interfacedwith computers that had assistive technologies running. I didn't believe that the wheel needed to be reinvented at that point, and I still don't. However, the fact still remains that accessibility to today's Workstations and consumer line keyboards is a major problem for the blind community. Before I became aware of Dancing Dots and its mission, I was considering calling it quits to my musical career because I was growing sick and tiredof trying to do a professional job in putting projects together, and just plain being able to operate an instrument for my own enjoyment. I alreadyhave many frustrations in using products from cell phones to DVRsconfidently; I certainly don't need to compound those frustrations tryingto deal with things that are supposed to enhance what I love doing. On top of that, there are all kinds of appliances and other everyday devices that one needs for daily living that are incorporating touch-screen controls, and I fear that this could put the blind community further back into the dark ages. Ramy's right in that more needs to be done in lobbying for better accessibility to things, especially products in the music industry. I think that one major problem is that the blind community doesn't have the resources needed to lobby corporations and government bodies sufficiently so as to be properly heard on this issue. There was an article that appeared in the Baltimore Son several years ago and waspicked up by my local newspaper that dealt with accessibility issues withWeb Sites, etc. A gentleman by the name of Dr Jonathon Lazar, who Ibelieve is a computer science professor, made a point that nearly 75 % ofthe adult blind community in the US is out of work because many of the applications used in various places of employment, be it Internet or otherwise, are becoming more and more inaccessible due to how they're designed. Many of them could be made accessible just by adding or modifying code. There have been a lot of discussions on this subject for many years now, but that's all it has amounted to, just discussions. I wrote to Dr Lazar and suggested that we somehow need to get passed thediscussion phase and move toward a more pro-active phase where things getdone in resolving these problems, but I never got a response one way or another. I believe that there are practical solutions to achieving this goal without necessarily having to redesign already existing technologies.Dancing Dots is doing just that. I can't say enough positive things aboutwhat this company's doing in that regard. They've been able to take a program like Sonar and make it work for us, and that's not only amazing, but it's proving my point that it can be done without having to retool everything to do it. So keep up the great work! In the meantime, we have to figure out a way to generate resources to effectively lobby for further accessibility in all things without breaking the bank. Have a good one. Mike----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramy Moustafa" <moshtaqlealganna@xxxxxxxxx>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 15:41 Subject: [ddots-l] O.t voice overHi all: Really am too happy, to see the voice over is making another success, After huge success in I phones, apple, put there voice over screen reader in Ipods. And now, we can easily use the ipod with touch screen machines, So my question, can't we try to tell the musical companys that are producing touch screen keyboards like korg, to put a screen reader to be able to use there products? Even they can make it optional, but really its well be very very helpful. So please, try to think with me how can we start, my English is not so good to make an online potition.And don't know how can we show to them that we are so interested in thismatter. So please, need your ideas and thoughts to be able to use the touch screenkeyboards, cause I think that all world well go toward this touch screenthings. 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