Roger: What kind of music are you working on? If you are doing modern R&B and the like, you can get away with using loops. If, on the other hand, you are doing rock, jazz, etc. there is really no substitute for laying down the drum parts in real time. While some of us who have been doing this a long time like to lay down everything at once, you could start by laying down the kick and snare, then put the cymbals and hats on another track, and then some tom fills on another. Start listening to stuff and tearing it apart. Drum parts are really no different than any other instrument parts, you just have to learn what drum to hit and when to hit it. I worked with some pretty bad drummers back in the day and that is where I learned that, since I had to show them even though I wasn't really a drummer. Gord ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Baccus To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: [ddots-l] MakingDrumTracksInProducer8 I am not that great just hammering out the drum tracks. I want to use something in Producer 8 and CakeTalking 8 to make professional-sounding drum tracks. I have a B-3 and MOTU 8 PRE. It has proved to be difficult to lget a live drummer to help me lay down the music. I first thought of Session Drummer. However, it does not have to be that way. Any suggestions and a kick start would be appreciated. My messages were not going through, so, I unsubscribed and re-subscribed. I hope this one gets through. Thanks in advance for any help. www.rogerbaccus.com New CD by year's end!