[ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?

  • From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:37:38 -0400

Actually if you use gigastudio as a rewire device and load several instruments into it, it will accept patch changes from sonar. 

Gord
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?


Has anyone had any success with Sonar and the Steinberg HALion system?

I've been doing some research and discovered that HALion is one of, if not
the, only sample system that can accept program change midi messages.

As the Steinberg Symphonic uses the HALion engine, it strikes me that the
same might be true of this.

The only down side is that you have to pre-load the programs you are going
to need so that it can switch from one instrument to another instantaneously
, and if the HALion interface is inaccessible that would have to be done as
part of a track template. As you can pre-load up to 128 programs, system
overhead is going to be massive. My colleague had it set to pre-load the
first 1.5 seconds of 2 instruments, and that used 28 megs of ram.

HALion has 16 slots which are assigned to 16 midi channels, and you can send
program change messages to HALion to make it switch program on the slot
connected to the midi channel you're sending on. Well, certainly you can
from within Cubase, but when my sighted colleague tried this on Sonar
earlier today it completely failed. I do not believe it should have done
however, as I can find nothing that indicates HALion and Sonar don't work
together.

Question is, is the interface accessible? Some other Steinberg products are,
such as Hypersonic, and V Guitarist, Bassist and Drummer are via Directxer,
but HALion? Hmm.

Also, does anyone know if the Motu Symphonic instrument uses Kontakt or
another inaccessible interface? I can't seem to find that anywhere. Perhaps
they've developed their own, and perhaps its usable? What a joke! LOL!

Gord, are you saying the Garritan demos of Jazz/Big Band are lying? LOL!

Yes, I believe Fable's Broadway/Big Band uses Kontakt or some variation of
it. Most complex synths do because its the only engine that offers
Round-Robin, auto-key switching, real-time articulation analysis etc.

The Kirk Hunter libraries are available as Giga instruments so they might
work with V Sampler, but I would imagine that Giga doesn't support some of
the Kontakt processing features in the first place, and V Sampler even less.

Matt
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bartlett" <bridgeweaver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?


It's worth noting that there is a project,
(currently dormant) to put together a plan to
attack the problem of accessibility in a more
systematic way that was suggested and inspired by
the moderator of the Midi-mag list.  There was a
period of spirited discussion a few months back,
followed by silence.  I'd like to see this picked up.

At 04:35 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
OK, I've had a quick look at the interface and it's disgusting. Everything was bit maps, including the menus so everything would have to be remote controlled by Jaws, and the only verification would be the end result. In other words, you'd have to play it to see if you'd loaded the right instrument.
This would absolutely be a scripting job, and a big one for such a small player. Unless someone fancies writing an app to do on-screen OCR. (lol) 

Sorry,

Dan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?


Hi,

You'd be OK until you encountered some dynamic data on the screen, at which
point you'd have no way of figuring out what's there.  Creating a
representation of the menu bar, etc. shouldn't be a problem, though.


Best wishes.

Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone:  +44 (0)1827 719822

Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at

http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Phil Muir
Sent: 28 September 2007 07:21
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?

Actually, I reckon you would.  If you used HSC to grab the menus then,
supplemented that with a bit of JFW script then, it should probably work.
Any thoughts Tim?

Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:29 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?
It wouldn't even work with HSC. Even the drop down menus are completely bit mapped and invisible to jaws. You would have no way of knowing what you are 
loading and where it is going.
Gord
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?



Hmm, have you tried sorting out access to this with HSC?

Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:04 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?


GPO uses the NI Kontakt interface and is therefore not accessible. I am
working with experts on a solution involving NI Kore, but nothing yet.

This

solution will also apply to EWQL Symphonic Orchestra Silver, and Garriton
Jazz and Big Band ... if it works!

Matt

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?



Not sure.  I doubt that the Personal Orchestra is accessible.

Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramy Moustafa" <flutelover@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?


so well this garritan well be accessible with out the the dimension pro?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?



garritan Personal orchestra is a separate softsynthe.  A version of that

is called garritan

pocket orchestra and ships as part of Dimension Pro. Also, you get a

lite version of it in

Dimension LE which, ships with Sonar 7.





Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramy Moustafa" <flutelover@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal

Orchestra?



, can i ask:
what is the  difference, between, dimension pro and garritan orchestra?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How accessible is the Garritan Personal

Orchestra?




If your referring to the version that ships as part of Dimension Pro

then, it's totally

accessible for us.  You can use it with CT for Sonar 6.


Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
Band website:
www.steelstringmusic.co.uk/
Band my Space Site:
www.myspace.com/steelstringmusic
----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Simpson" <simp749@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:37 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] How accessible is the Garritan Personal Orchestra?


Hello,

I've asked about realistic orchestral sounds here before.  It seems the

best

I can find, at the moment, are the Garritan Personal Orchestra.  How
accessible is this for us?  I remember Gordon said I'd have to get

sighted

help.  How much sighted help would I need and how difficult would it be

for

a sighted person?  In other words, would I need someone fairly computer
litterate?

Thanks!  Anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Laurie


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