[ddots-l] Re: Glitches and pops?

Hey Phil!

Please could you tell me where I can read/get hold of the 'post' by Noel,
that you and Gord talk of?

Cheers

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:19 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Glitches and pops?


> Gord wrote: Wow!  I went up and looked at Noel's post.  It certainly makes
> sense,
> especially the bit about that tweak actually allowing other background
> services unrelated to daw applications to get longer time slices in task
> scheduling.
>
> Phil replied: agreed!
>
>
> Regards, Phil Muir
> P J Muir Productions
> Music And Audio Production
> URL:
> http://www.philmuir.com/
> Band website:
> http://www.demuirs.com/
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:38 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Glitches and pops?
>
>
>> Wow!  I went up and looked at Noel's post.  It certainly makes sense,
>> especially the bit about that tweak actually allowing other background
>> services unrelated to daw applications to get longer time slices in task
>> scheduling.
>> Gord
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:38 AM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Glitches and pops?
>>
>>
>>> Gord wrote: Wow!  Tascam had put up what was considered the definitive
>>> set of tweaks for
>>> best audio performance a couple of years ago and that was one of the
>>> first
>>> things they said, especially when using asio drivers.
>>>
>>> Phil replied: that's a great document, a part from that twique.  I have
>>> also found that speeding up the menus twique is a good one too!
>>>
>>> Gord wrote: I did definitely
>>> notice an improvement with my laptop, which is a 202ghz dual core, when
>>> I
>>> did this recently.  Now lately I've been experimenting with going back
>>> to
>>> wdm with my motu, so maybe I should try chaning this setting back.
>>> Every
>>> one of the dancing dots systems that I set up had this setting on them,
>>> as
>>> well as the paging settings and visual performance settings.
>>>
>>> Phil replied: the pageing and visual performance are good twiques to do.
>>> Noel is a good guy and his article is definitely worth a read.
>>>
>>> By the way, if any of you are uing MOTU gear in WDM mode then, you will
>>> want to change this setting in the wave section of your Aud.ini file.
>>>
>>>
>>> KsUseInputEvent=1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards, Phil Muir
>>> P J Muir Productions
>>> Music And Audio Production
>>> URL:
>>> http://www.philmuir.com/
>>> Band website:
>>> http://www.demuirs.com/
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:13 AM
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Glitches and pops?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wow!  Tascam had put up what was considered the definitive set of
>>>> tweaks for best audio performance a couple of years ago and that was
>>>> one of the first things they said, especially when using asio drivers.
>>>> I did definitely notice an improvement with my laptop, which is a
>>>> 202ghz dual core, when I did this recently.  Now lately I've been
>>>> experimenting with going back to wdm with my motu, so maybe I should
>>>> try chaning this setting back.  Every one of the dancing dots systems
>>>> that I set up had this setting on them, as well as the paging settings
>>>> and visual performance settings.
>>>> Gord
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "Dancing Dots E-mail List" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:04 PM
>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Glitches and pops?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Gord wrote: Have you set priority to background services in the
>>>>> performance dialog under the
>>>>> advanced tab of system in windows control panel?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil replied: No, no, no!  Very very bad idea.  In fact, this can make
>>>>> your system much more
>>>>> unstable.  I remember trying this on several occasions with various
>>>>> set-ups and found that system
>>>>> performance got significantly worse.  I wondered if it was something
>>>>> to do with my system. Then, I
>>>>> came across an article written by Noel Borthwick from Cakewalk.  Noel
>>>>> recommends not doing this at
>>>>> all, and having played with this setting here myself and discussed
>>>>> this with others in the business,
>>>>> I agree with Noel.
>>>>>
>>>>> you will find noel's post at the following URL:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1238330
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a quote from noel's post.  Noel wrote: "I don't recommend this.
>>>>> Setting the sheduling to background for "better performance" with
>>>>> drivers is a myth. At best this is masking a real problem with
>>>>> the driver. All this does is change the quanta for the timeslice
>>>>> assigned by the windows scheduler. By making the time slice longer you
>>>>> are potentially setting up a scenario where the high priority audio
>>>>> threads in the host application might be denied frequent enough
>>>>> servicing by the scheduler! This might actually result in more
>>>>> dropouts or clicks. Here is a quote from an MSDN article
>>>>>
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308417
>>>>>
>>>>> . If you click Programs, the foreground program runs more smoothly and
>>>>> responds more quickly. If you want a background task such as a Backup
>>>>> utility to run faster, click Background services.
>>>>> . The Programs option allocates short, variable time slices (quanta)
>>>>> to running programs, and the Background services option assigns long,
>>>>> fixed quanta.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Contrarary to the SOS article that says "this is the most essential
>>>>> tweak of all, because ASIO drivers run as background services in
>>>>> Windows." An ASIO
>>>>> driver is just another a dll running in the process memory space, its
>>>>> NOT a background service - at least not typically. I've never seen an
>>>>> ASIO driver
>>>>> that installs an actual Windows service (you would see that in the
>>>>> services view otherwise). Its just a DLL running a user mode thread to
>>>>> service the audio
>>>>> device and asio callbacks. The thread is no different from the threads
>>>>> that run in the host application itself. If the driver is coded to
>>>>> have the thread
>>>>> priority set to time critical and its thread is not being blocked by
>>>>> something else there should be no need to change this setting. i.e.
>>>>> for the few people
>>>>> this "helps" its likely that all its doing is masking another more
>>>>> fundamental problem.
>>>>> Additionally setting the sheduling to background is allowing ALL other
>>>>> background tasks on your computer to get a longer timeslice - i.e some
>>>>> other windows
>>>>> service or background application is now more likely might to start
>>>>> interfering with the host task."
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Phil Muir
>>>>> P J Muir Productions
>>>>> Music And Audio Production
>>>>> URL:
>>>>> http://www.philmuir.com/
>>>>> Band website:
>>>>> http://www.demuirs.com/
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