the problem is that I just purchased a dell system, and it has been proven after several attempts of fixing it and having tech support guys come over to my place that the unit is defective. I was just generalizing in that macks are always quiet, and I've never heard of fan issues with them. Granted that they are more expensive, I guess you pay what you get for. Currently I am trying to get dell to exchange my system, under the fact that the one I currently have is a lemon, and the newer XPS have temperature controlled fans, meaning they only run when they need to. Plus the new chassis is made of aluminum, where as the one I currently is made up of total plastic. I prefer to buy systems already put together as I know what's in them, cause here in Montreal some of the fly by night dealers are quite bad for after service. Will see how that goes. The only really reliable put together unit I had was my Hp pavilion which I bought a couple of years ago, which I gave to my wife, when I purchased the dell system. By the way do you know where I can get those fans you mentioned? ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Fwd: VICUG-NYC Protools Accessibility with VoiceOver on the Mac Well, you don't have to have a noisy PC. You can put in silent coolers such as the various models made by Zelman. These coolers are put in in place of your CPU fan which, can be quite noisy. You can also get noiseless power supplies made by manufacturers such as Enermax. I have a PC here that is very quiet indeed. Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions Music and audio production URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike C To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 5:17 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Fwd: VICUG-NYC Protools Accessibility with VoiceOver on the Mac I just signed the patition, and hope that Protools in the future does become accessible. I am getting tired of Noisy PC's. ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey Levine To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Fwd: VICUG-NYC Protools Accessibility with VoiceOver on the Mac Hello, Please sign this petition if you can. Audrey Levine X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN jaylev@xxxxxxx GW2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID130kHPm1r8435Xo1 Subject: VICUG-NYC Protools Accessibility with VoiceOver on the Mac Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:52:43 -0600 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Protools Accessibility with VoiceOver on the Mac Thread-Index: AcbA2EPjwNqxJXMaSRqkWdWeqyrOdgAWjTCA From: "Jay Leventhal" <jaylev@xxxxxxx> To: <vic-nyc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2006 12:52:43.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD624B90:01C6C132] X-Spam-Score: 0.138 () HTML_30_40 HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.28.168 Sender: owner-vic-nyc@xxxxxxxxxxxx X-JunkMail: NotJunk X-MFData: [6.512261 v2.3:3 n899 s14304 g184809 b175947 p0.024565 sN11 t7,867591] I was asked to send this to the list. Jay Leventhal From: Vincent Pedulla [mailto:bkvin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Hello all, I apologize for the E-mail as many of us get so much spam as it is, but please take a few minutes to read through this online petition that I would like you to sign. Protools is the industry standard for recording music in any professional studio environment. It is a combination of a hardware and software package that allows the Macintosh computer to digitally record and edit audio on a professional level. Protools is used in many industry settings from radio stations and recording studios to post-production video television and movie studios. Since the introduction of Apple's new operating system (OS X), Protools software has not been accessible with the new screenreader (Voice Over) that Apple has included in the new operating system. This means that any one with a visual impairment who is considering a future in the recording industry will not be able to use the current version of the program. This would also impact any students who are attending educational institutions who offer training in audio engineering. We are asking the company Digidesign who manufactures Protools software and hardware to insure compatibility with future versions of Apple's screenreader Voice Over. This would insure that any one entering the audio field would have full accessibility to the most widely accepted and used audio recording platform in the world. The other advantage is that any one who has access to a Mac, would have access to Voice Over because it is included with every Mac running the current operating system. This would conceivably allow any one with a visual impairment to walk up to any Protools system and have instant accessibility. When you visit the site http://www.protoolspetition.org, you will be asked for some basic information as well as your e-mail address for conformation purposes. Don't worry about the information you provide it will be kept confidential. There is an area in the petition that asks what relationship you have with Protools. Most of you who are sighted would probably check either advocate for the blind, or educator of the blind. For those of us who are visually impaired, or working as educators there are three other options that you can select. In the end we will print out all the signatures and deliver it to the appropriate people at Digidesign. Again to read and sign the petition Please visit http://www.protoolspetition.org to join us in this effort. Also please feel to pass this on to any one who wouldn't mind signing the petition as well. Remember, the more people sign the petition, the more impact we will have with those who make the decisions at Digidesign. Thanks again for taking the time to read and sign the petition, Vincent Pedulla