[ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain!
- From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:18:55 -0400
OH, almost forgot the most important point.
Due to the way that Jaws scripts work, you can only have either CT8.3 or CT8.5
installed. You install the one that matches the version of Sonar that you
intend to use. You can not install them both.
For example, if you install CT8.5, then Sonar 8.5 will operate normally.
However, if you start Sonar 8.31, it will seem to talk, but will have lots of
problems. This is because Jaws is trying to use the 8.5 scripts in 8.3, and
because the CT8.5 installer customized the Sonar 8.5 settings for
accessibility, not the Sonar 8.3 settings.
We know that this is a pain, but this is just how things have to be when we
have a new version of Sonar that is sort of, but sort of not, a new complete
version.
If you must run both Sonar 8.02/8.3 and Sonar 8.5 at the same time, then there
is a workaround. Install two versions of Jaws on your computer, such as Jaws 9
and Jaws 10. Install CakeTalking 8.5, and select to only install the scripts in
to Jaws 10. Then, run the CakeTalking 8.3 installer, and select to only install
the scripts in to Jaws 9. Now, just start Jaws 9 when you work in Sonar 8.3,
and Jaws 10 when you work in Sonar 8.5.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:10 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain!
Traditionally, CakeTalking major versions have closely mirrored Sonar versions.
CT5 for Sonar 5, CT6 for Sonar 6, etc. People would expect that CT8.5 would
work with both Sonar 8.5 and the older Sonar 8.3 since they share the same
major version number. Normally, that would be true. Unfortunately, Cakewalk has
really made things confusing with Sonar 8.5, and that has confused the
CakeTalking versioning scheme, also.
Sonar 8.5 should have been called Sonar 9. It doesn't work like a Sonar update
(like Sonar 8.31 does for Sonar 8.0). Instead, it installs Sonar 8.5 in to a
new folder, adds new icons to the start menu and desktop, and generally acts
like it is a new major version of Sonar. It appears similar to if you had both
Sonar 7 and Sonar 8 installed on your DAW at once. However, Sonar 8.5 isn't
it's own stand-alone product. You have to have Sonar 8 installed and updated,
as Sonar 8.5 still needs bits from Sonar 8.3 on your computer in order to
function .
Besides being annoying for anyone, this creates problems for CakeTalking,
because there are now two places where it needs to place files, and there are
two versions of Sonar who's appearance and accessibility settings must be
tweaked during installation.
The way that David has made this work is to create two separate CakeTalking
installers. CakeTalking 8.3 loads in to the Sonar 8 installation, and
CakeTalking 8.5 loads in to the Sonar 8.5 installation.
I hope that the following clears up any questions about what versions of Sonar
and CakeTalking match, and who can run each of them.
Sonar 8
This is where we've been up until this month. If you only have a CakeTalking 8
license, then this is the best version of Sonar/CakeTalking available to you.
You should install Sonar 8.0 and use the free patches from Cakewalk to update
to Sonar 8.02. Then, install CT8.
It is also possible to install the free Sonar 8.31 update and continue to run
with CakeTalking 8, however the access is only partial. If you decide to run
this way, then you need to re-install CakeTalking after installing the Sonar
8.31 update in order to fix some essential settings that are cleared by the
Sonar 8.31 update.
Download CT8 here:
http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8
Sonar 8.3
If you have a CakeTalking 8.5 license, then you can run CakeTalking 8.3 with
Sonar 8.31. Pay attention to these version numbers. Said a different way, you
aren't able to buy a CakeTalking 8.3 license. 8.3 licenses were never sold.
However, your license for CakeTalking 8.5 will activate both CakeTalking 8.3
and CakeTalking 8.5. Older CakeTalking 8 licenses will not activate CakeTalking
8.3.
If you wish to use Sonar 8.3 (such as if you have not upgraded Sonar to 8.5),
then you can install Sonar 8, update it to Sonar 8.31 with the free update from
Cakewalk, and install CakeTalking 8.3.
Download CakeTalking 8.3 here:
http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8.3sj
Sonar 8.5
If you wish to use Sonar 8.5, then you'll need to install Sonar 8, update it to
Sonar 8.31 with the free update from Cakewalk, install the Sonar 8.5 upgrade,
install the free Sonar 8.51 update, and then install CakeTalking 8.5. Keep in
mind that each of those steps has many sub-steps: such as loading the content
DVDs and patches.
Download CT8.5 here:
http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8.5sj
Be very careful to get the correct version of CakeTalking for the version of
Sonar that you're using. If you get the incorrect version, then Sonar will
appear to partially work with CakeTalking, but many features will be broken.
This is because while you may have some scripts loaded in Jaws, they won't
necessarily be the correct scripts, and CakeTalking may have updated the
settings of the wrong version of Sonar.
I hope that this helps. If anyone is still confused, then please reply to this
message, or call tech support at 610-783-6692, option 3.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:01 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain!
Hey Jean!
I uninstalled all other CT versions, installed CT 8.3, then CT 8.5, and
everythings working fine now!
Thanx for the d load link, you're a hero...
I can't understand why very little, or nothing, was said about this CT 8.3
version, let alone the fact that if you only install v8.5 it'll screw
everything up!
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Studio Montebello<mailto:studiomontebello@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain!
Hey Mike!
You're not the only one!!!
Here's the link to CT 8.3 install.
http://www.dancingdots.com/ct/8.3sj/
Hope this helps.
And let me know if this fixes all your problems.
Jean
Visitez mon site / Visit my site at http://www.studiomontebello.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Christer<mailto:m-christer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:21 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain!
Hey Phil!
I did enter the installation code etc. but I'm not yet using the Sonar 8.5
update... I didn't know there was a CT 8.3 update?
When did that appear? Did it come out around the same time as the Sonar 8.5
release?
I don't know how I missed the appearance of that version...
Thanx for the lo down, I'll go hunt out the bugger!
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir<mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:36 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: CT 8.5 installation pain!
Mike, did you put in your new CT 8.5 serial number? Also, is it authorised ok
in CT 8.5? Hmm, I wonder if you may need to do an install with the more up to
date version of CT for 8.3.1 then, do the CT8.5 install after that.
Regards, Phil Muir
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 08 October 2009 18:10
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] CT 8.5 installation pain!
Hey list!
I've installed CT 8.5 but,when I open Sonar 8.3, I'm told that I'm using an
unauthorized version of Cake Talking and I should go purchase it!
I also had to uninstall CT 8, because, after CT 8.5 refused to authorize, CT 8
just didn't work at all!
Please can anyone tell me what the hell is going down?
Thanx
Mike
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