[ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
- From: "W. Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:32:12 -0600
What is used is irrelevant. What is relevant is getting manufacturers of MIDI
devices to allow the user to "enable a pre-defined, or user-definable, after
the
pre-defined channel has been initialized" MIDI channel through which one can
monitor relevant display settings for the portion of the device's functionality
one is in the screen of, with, of course, something analogous to "alt-tags"
representing the objects being manipulated. This might be made more palitable
through the use of an "accessability kit" in which requisite code and object
labels were placed on a flash card, or other supported memory structure, which
would turn on the accessability functions for the particular piece of hardware.
Potentially, an industry-wide standard could be developed, with all
participating members of the participating MIDI equipment manufacturers sharing
in the development costs, thus thinning them out and making them easier
to amortize, and, providing a standardized approach to MIDI accessability
implementation which would only need variable tayloring for each supported
device.
Nick
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:01:00 -0800 (PST), omar binno wrote:
I'm thinking that if we are all serious about pursuing
this project, then a potential PDA device would be
more practical. If we were to use a laptop on stage
for this kind of thing, then we may as well use sonar
to access everything like we do in the studio.
--- Tim Burgess <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd use a laptop although I suppose there's
> potential in the rise of
> accessible PDA devices - haven't seen a MIDI
> interface for one of those yet,
> though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of omar binno
> Sent: 25 November 2005 11:49
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
>
> Hi Tim:
>
> Would this screen reader be dependent on a computer
> though, or is it a
> separate device capable of functioning
> independently?
>
> --- Tim Burgess <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > The ideal way would be to take the output from
> your screen reader into
> > your keyboard mixer then use headphones
> (noise-cancellers would be
> > ideal) to monitor your speech and foldback
> outputs).
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Tim
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> omar binno
> > Sent: 25 November 2005 11:20
> > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
> >
> > Good idea. My question is though, if we need a
> computer for a device
> > like this; how can such a device be used on stage
> for those of us who
> > use our synths a lot in live performances?
> >
> > --- Mike C <m_dsmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with what you are saying Nick, if a
> > keyboard were to be made
> > > accessible, it should be done through a midi
> > channel of some sort,
> > > where the computer would output the speech from
> > the unit. It would
> > > be silly to have speech ouput from a unit itself
> > as you wouldn't want
> > > to have some device talking through a PA system
> > while doing a gig.
> > > furthermore if an accessible
> > > medium were to be implimented I'm sure that
> folks
> > on the list who own
> > > older modules such as the Yamaha EMU90, or Korg
> > Triton wouldn't want
> > > to give up those units just to purchase an
> > accessible unit worth
> > > thousands of dollars.
> > > Again my opinion is that the accessible part
> would
> > have to be
> > > implimented through a midi channel, and have
> > output spoken on the
> > > computer, or braille display itself.
> > >
> > > I know myself that I love my Fantom XR, and I
> > wouldn't trade it for
> > > anything at this point in time.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "W. Nick Dotson"
> <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:37 AM
> > > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
> > >
> > >
> > > >I certainly think you're on the right page.
> > Seems
> > > to me that having
> > > >manufacturer's get behind a subset of the MIDI
> > > standard, to allow their
> > > >devices to send
> > > > data in a manner analagous to the way that
> some
> > of
> > > the Kurzweil's do, Dave
> > > > Scrimenti (spelling?) and his brother used,
> > might
> > > be the direction. The
> > > > less
> > > > well-thought out less well articulated the
> > > request, the sillier will be
> > > > the results. This is the kind of thing that
> it
> > > would be good to have
> > > > someone get behind
> > > > and present to manufacturer's meetings at
> N.A.M.
> > > or similar industry-wide
> > > > conferences. I would think, for instance,
> > getting
> > > the CakeWalk folks,
> > > > perhaps
> > > > because of Jerry knowing them, the ProTools
> > folks,
> > > to present a combined
> > > > proposal to hardware manufacturer's, with say
> > > Jerry, the JSonar, and
> > > > Dancing
> > > > Dots putting together the "wish list" and
> > > suggested means by which this
> > > > could be accomplished, which would then be
> > > endorsed by the software folks
> > > > previously mentioned. I would say, for
> > instance,
> > > allow the end-user of a
> > > > device tp press a button, maybe with a
> > > standardized shape or symbol on it,
> > > > which
> > > > would envoke the data transfer process on a
> > > specific channel, so that
> > > > commencement of the control process could be
> > done
> > > by a blind device owner
> > > > independently...
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:27:22 -0700, Sean A.
> > > Cummins wrote:
> > > >
> > > > WHOA! GANG! Please stop and think about what
> > you
> > > are asking for!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am all for asking companies to help, but
> let's
> > > not corner ourselves into
> > > > only one answer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > True accessibility is opening the doors to
> many
> > > options and not just one.
> > > > I
> > > > don't know about the rest of you, but I own
> many
> > > different types of
> > > > Microphones and many different types of
> guitars
> > > and other instruments
> > > > RIGHT?! So why would I want to have only one
> > > keyboard company making an
> > > > accessible keyboard. OH, I know, we can write
> > all
> > > of them, but we'll be
> > > > lucky if one even gives such a small market a
> > > second thought. Rather, we
> > > > need to approach an individual or individuals
> > that
> > > can get us access to
> > > > all
> > > > of the MIDI devices that are all ready passing
> > > data free from one to the
> > > > other.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I had been pioneering a MIDI music system for
> > the
> > > blind way back in the
> > > > early eighties, and the best thing to have
> ever
> > > happen to the industry was
> > > > the development of the MIDI interface. This
> > > happens to be one of the only
> > > > industries that sat down and worked out a
> > standard
> > > by which all computer
> > > > based instrument could exchange data and
> control
> > > one another. This data
> > > > flow is our key to accessibility! We just
> need
> > to
> > > find the person and or
>
=== message truncated ===
Omar Binno
" Everything is possible; it's just that the impossible things take a little
longer to figure out!"
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