[ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?

I'm thinking that if we are all serious about pursuing
this project, then a potential PDA device would be
more practical. If we were to use a laptop on stage
for this kind of thing, then we may as well use sonar
to access everything like we do in the studio.

--- Tim Burgess <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd use a laptop although I suppose there's
> potential in the rise of
> accessible PDA devices - haven't seen a MIDI
> interface for one of those yet,
> though.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of omar binno
> Sent: 25 November 2005 11:49
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
> 
> Hi Tim:
> 
> Would this screen reader be dependent on a computer
> though, or is it a
> separate device capable of functioning
> independently?
> 
> --- Tim Burgess <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > The ideal way would be to take the output from
> your screen reader into 
> > your keyboard mixer then use headphones
> (noise-cancellers would be 
> > ideal) to monitor your speech and foldback
> outputs).
> > 
> > Cheers.
> > 
> > Tim
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> omar binno
> > Sent: 25 November 2005 11:20
> > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
> > 
> > Good idea. My question is though, if we need a
> computer for a device 
> > like this; how can such a device be used on stage
> for those of us who 
> > use our synths a lot in live performances?
> > 
> > --- Mike C <m_dsmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree with what you are saying Nick, if a
> > keyboard were to be made
> > > accessible, it should be done through a midi
> > channel of some sort,
> > > where the computer would output the speech from
> > the  unit.  It would
> > > be silly to have speech ouput from a unit itself
> > as you wouldn't want
> > > to have some device talking through a PA system
> > while doing a gig.
> > > furthermore if an accessible
> > > medium were to be implimented I'm sure that
> folks
> > on the list who own
> > > older modules such as the Yamaha EMU90, or Korg
> > Triton wouldn't want
> > > to give up those units just to purchase an
> > accessible unit worth
> > > thousands of dollars.
> > > Again my opinion is that the accessible part
> would
> > have to be
> > > implimented through a midi channel, and have
> > output spoken on the
> > > computer, or braille display itself.
> > > 
> > > I know myself that I love my Fantom XR, and I
> > wouldn't trade it for
> > > anything at this point in time.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "W. Nick Dotson"
> <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:37 AM
> > > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible keyboards?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >I certainly think you're on the right page. 
> > Seems
> > > to me that having
> > > >manufacturer's get behind a subset of the MIDI
> > > standard, to allow their
> > > >devices to send
> > > > data in a manner analagous to the way that
> some
> > of
> > > the Kurzweil's do, Dave
> > > > Scrimenti (spelling?) and his brother used,
> > might
> > > be the direction.  The
> > > > less
> > > > well-thought out less well articulated the
> > > request, the sillier will be
> > > > the results.  This is the kind of thing that
> it
> > > would be good to have
> > > > someone get behind
> > > > and present to manufacturer's meetings at
> N.A.M.
> > > or similar industry-wide
> > > > conferences.  I would think, for instance,
> > getting
> > > the CakeWalk folks,
> > > > perhaps
> > > > because of Jerry knowing them, the ProTools
> > folks,
> > > to present a combined
> > > > proposal to hardware manufacturer's, with say
> > > Jerry, the JSonar, and
> > > > Dancing
> > > > Dots putting together the "wish list" and
> > > suggested means by which this
> > > > could be accomplished, which would then be
> > > endorsed by the software folks
> > > > previously mentioned.  I would say, for
> > instance,
> > > allow the end-user of a
> > > > device tp press a button, maybe with a
> > > standardized shape or symbol on it,
> > > > which
> > > > would envoke the data transfer process on a
> > > specific channel, so that
> > > > commencement of the control process could be
> > done
> > > by a blind device owner
> > > > independently...
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:27:22 -0700, Sean A.
> > > Cummins wrote:
> > > >
> > > > WHOA! GANG!  Please stop and think about what
> > you
> > > are asking for!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am all for asking companies to help, but
> let's
> > > not corner ourselves into
> > > > only one answer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > True accessibility is opening the doors to
> many
> > > options and not just one. 
> > > > I
> > > > don't know about the rest of you, but I own
> many
> > > different types of
> > > > Microphones and many different types of
> guitars
> > > and other instruments
> > > > RIGHT?!  So why would I want to have only one
> > > keyboard company making an
> > > > accessible keyboard.  OH, I know, we can write
> > all
> > > of them, but we'll be
> > > > lucky if one even gives such a small market a
> > > second thought.  Rather, we
> > > > need to approach an individual or individuals
> > that
> > > can get us access to
> > > > all
> > > > of the MIDI devices that are all ready passing
> > > data free from one to the
> > > > other.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I had been pioneering a MIDI music system for
> > the
> > > blind way back in the
> > > > early eighties, and the best thing to have
> ever
> > > happen to the industry was
> > > > the development of the MIDI interface.  This
> > > happens to be one of the only
> > > > industries that sat down and worked out a
> > standard
> > > by which all computer
> > > > based instrument could exchange data and
> control
> > > one another.  This data
> > > > flow is our key to accessibility!  We just
> need
> > to
> > > find the person and or
> 
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Omar Binno

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