[softwarelist] Re: OvnPro for Windows
- From: Dave Symes <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: davidpilling@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:06:05 +0000 (GMT)
In article <5248a444bdriscos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
M Harding <riscos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In article <524644dd5adave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Dave Symes <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> [ severe snip ]
> > FWIW. Here we use both OvPro for RISC OS and OvPro for Windows
> > (With a suitable .dpd [Document] or .dps [Style sheet] suffix and
> > this works very well.
> > The only fly in the ointment (As could be noted from my past
> > postings) are Fonts.
> I'm at last coming to grips with OvPro for Windows after using the
> RISC OS version for producing the A5 parish magazine. My purpose for
> using the Windows version is that I'm trying to make myself
> redundant: I need to convert the material to Windows use for any
> other DTP editor to be able to take over.
> Like Dave I've found the Fonts issue difficult but I don't have his
> expertise and am somewhat diffident about asking some questions where
> the answer is "RTFM more carefully". On the other hand, I've found
> that those who ask the naive questions enormously help other newcomers
> in clarifying basic issues, so here goes!
You should never be afeared to ask question Michael, particularly on RO
oriented groups, as most of the folks here are quite understanding and
helpful.
I've learned a lot over the years asking questions, and I hope I've also
helped a few with my answers to their questions.
(Some Windows and a *lot* of Linux Ngs are the nasty places, where the
advocates spend too much time with heads up rectum to be civilised and
offer help to others).
> > The basic sets of fonts, assuming you have David's font set
> > installed on the win side work okay, but SWMBO particularly, has a
> > penchant for using some font or other that doesn't normally exist
> > on the win side, and the default substitutions can often make a
> > mess of a complex document.
> Like SWMBO I can't manage with just the basic set. I started making
> lists of fonts needing re-mapping. Then I read it again and (rightly
> or wrongly?) this re-mapping applies to PostScript fonts; but I'd be
> printing using an ordinary laser printer. Am I right then in thinking
> that what I need is the identical font with the same name in both RISC
> OS & Windows versions?
Michael, the fonts names don't have to be the same, though obviously the
point of the exercise is to use a font as similar as possible in structure.
To use my recent example with Fay's problem.
The RISCOS font is called "Hayleys.Shadow" but as such it doesn't exist in
Truetype form, however, a very, very close match on the PC/TT side does
exist but with a different name "Becker Shadow" and it is a Truetype font
not a postscript font as such.
So in the OvPro Win Menu bar-Misc-Font manager (Map button)I have...
Typeface: Hayleys.Shadow
Weight: Hayleys.Shadow (It only has one default weight, no bold or italic)
Windows name: Becker Shadow
If you click through the default mappings, you'll find things like
Homerton mapped to Arial and so on...
> Fortunately I have the EFF Professional Typography 2 fonts CD which
> has both versions. I also have a few useful RISC OS iSV fonts with no
> Windows TT version: do I have to abandon those?
> I tried to create a template on the RISC OS side and stripped out
> from it all the fonts that didn't have a TT equivalent, then loaded
> it into OPro/W. Yet a warning still came up that there was a missing
> font. I've combed the RISC OS document but can't find it anywhere. In
> Publisher there was a method for revealing all the fonts and deleting
> the legacy list no longer used - is there anything similar in OvPro?
There is an Applet in Ov pro "Fontlist" that will produce a list of the
fonts used in a currently loaded document, I also have it in my Win OvPro.
With regard to your particular template problem... What you must also do
on the RO side, is make sure any Styles that might contain font references
are deleted.
For example, in my default OvPro document, I have a heading Style that
contains a different font to the Bodytext (default style of 12pt Trinity).
The Header style is Homerton and Bold.
As a last resort, I guess you could save the document as a DDLFile, stick
it in Zap (or whatever) and manually remove any references to the
additional fonts...
Not sure if Mr P., would approve of that method though?
> > In which case I have to find something close and Map the RO and Win
> > fonts, or as I managed to do recently (With some help) find a win
> > font that was as near as dammit a match, and map that to the RO
> > font.
> Are we talking PostScript here?
No, it was a Truetype font.
My Windows Font manager does contain a few Postscript fonts, but when I'm
searching I usually stick to Truetypes.
Hope that's of use.
Best wishes for the New year
Dave
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> Michael Harding
> Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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