[softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future

  • From: David Pilling <flist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: davidpilling@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:14:22 +0100

In message <4fb6f86b17monster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Robert Greenfield <monster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes

I can see a marketing tool in a non-binary (or comprehensible) file
format. It surely makes our documents more future proof, certainly raises
the possibility of being able to use the documents on other platforms, or
in other software (it must be easier to create import filters with a file
structure like DDL).

Well you have had DDL since day one, and it was put there to solve the above problems. What has limited you is the small number of users - it hasn't been worthwhile people writing filters.

Lack of support for MS Word is a big gap, yet it would be easy for a third party to write an MS Word filter - either for import or export.

It occurs to me to speculate whether a form of open sourcing of OvatPro,
similar to Iyonix open sourcing of RISC OS 5, retaining some commercial
control of the code, but allowing others to continue further development,

I've suggested this myself in this discussion. The problem is that for me that is the end of the game, it means letting go of the program and writing off all the years of work (I know there will be ifs and buts to this, but that is the realistic outcome).

Is this possible with OvPro? Is there a 'central' core of code that both
RO and Windows versions use?

One problem with DTP programs is that they do depend intimately on the underlying operating system. This is why it took me so long to get things working on Windows, why I am a bit shy of Java and why I have two lots of source code for Win and RISC OS.

You can do anything with source code, so you could have one lot of source that compiled on any platform - just comes down to how you spend your resources.

David - you appear to think that OvPro is lacking compared to other DTPs.

Various people have suggested cutting the price, perhaps you're right. It is always easy (as an outsider) to say "X would do better if it cost less".

The limiting case of charging nothing does not support this. Often it is harder to give things away than to sell them.

My original idea was to have a relatively high fixed price, not charge for upgrades and to continue development until the price was amply justified.

What has gone wrong with this strategy, is that my time for programming has been radically curtailed over the last couple of years, take up of the Windows version has been close to zero by Windows users and RISC OS users want to stick with the RISC OS version. I've also come to realise just how much work is still required.

But yes I will consider the price.

This is a bit of a catch-22 situation, perhaps. OvPro is 'lacking' and
needs development to catch the public's eye, get more users and become
'viable' in order to develop it further etc.

As I've said, the program has been beset from the start by the "one more push" fallacy, if only I'd do another years hard work then it would all be OK...

I do believe there probably is some critical point beyond which sales would take off. That idea probably argues against a strategy based on gradually improving a program written 20 years ago.



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